XII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session I

XII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session I 
XII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session I Thursday, March 26, 1998 / Chaitra 5, 1920 (Saka)

Type of Debate: STATEMENT REGARDING ORDINANCE
Title: Statement showing reasons for immediate legislation by the Contingency fund of India (Amendment) Ordinance, 1997 and the Contingency Fund of India (Amendment) Ordinance, 1998. TEXT : THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YASHWANT SINHA): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table an explanatory statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for immediate legislation by the Contingency Fund of India (Amendment) Ordinance, 1997 and the Contingency Fund of India (Amendment) Ordinance, 1998.

* [Placed in Library. See No. LT-21/98]

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** Introduced with the recommendation of the President.

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MR. SPEAKER: Now, please go back to your seats. This is not good.

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MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, as item nos. 3 to 6 are to be discussed together, I propose that the Minister of Railways be permitted to move the Resolutions listed at item no. 6 first to enable a combined discussion on these items. I hope that the House agrees.

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes.

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Nitish Kumar may now move his resolutions.

12.09 hrs.

RESOLUTION RE: APPROVAL OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE

TWELFTH REPORT OF THE RAILWAY CONVENTION COMMITTEE, 1991

AND

RESOLUTION RE: APPROVAL OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE

THIRD REPORT OF THE RAILWAY CONVENTION COMMITTEE, 1996

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): Sir, I beg to move the following Resolutions:

"That this House approves the recommendations made in Paragraphs 40, 41, 42, 44, 45, 47 and 48 contained in the Twelfth Report of Railway Convention Committee (1991) appointed to review the "Rate of Dividend" payable by the Railway Undertaking to General Revenues etc., which was presented in the Lok Sabha on 12.3.96".

"That this House approves the recommendations made in Paragraphs 64, 65, 66, 67 and 70 contained in the Third Report of Railway Convention Committee (1996) appointed to review the "Rate of Dividend" payable by the Railway Undertaking to General Revenues etc., which was presented in the Lok Sabha on 2.12.97".

I commend these resolutions for the consideration of this House.

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MR. SPEAKER: Now, the matter is over. Please go back to your seats.

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MR. SPEAKER: How could you speak on this subject when the matter is already over and the Speaker has already given his ruling on it?

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MR. SPEAKER: The matter is already over.

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MR. SPEAKER: What is this? You must know the rules and procedure.

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MR. SPEAKER: The Speaker has already given his ruling.

12.10 hrs.

(At this stage, Shri Datta Meghe and some other hon. Members

went back to their seats.)

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Rosaiah, a Congress Party Member, may initiate the discussion on Railway Budget.

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MR. SPEAKER: You are a senior Member. You first listen to me. Please take your seat. The matter is already over. The Speaker has already given the ruling. How can you speak now on the same matter? You are all senior Members.

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SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER (TENALI): The procedure is laid down in the Rules. It has to be followed.... (Interruptions)

SHRI AJIT JOGI (RAIGARH): You should not give a ruling till you have listened to us ... (Interruptions)

MR.SPEAKER: Shri Rosaiah, you may start your speech.

SHRI ROSAIAH KONIJETE (NARASARAOPET): I can only speak when the House is in order. How can I speak otherwise?... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: You come to my Chamber later on. We will discuss it.

12.12 hrs.

(At this stage, Shri Akbar Ahmad Dumpy and some other hon. Members came

and stood on the floor near the Table.)

MR. SPEAKER: Are you taking part in the discussion or not? Your name has been given by your Party.

SHRI ROSAIAH KONIJETE : I very much want to speak but you please bring the House to order.

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MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat.

12.13 hrs.

(At this stage, Shri Akbar Ahmad Dumpy and some other hon. Members

went back to their seats.)

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SHRI AJIT JOGI : Sir, you should protect the privilege of the House... (Interruptions)

SHRI ROSAIAH KONIJETE : I am ready to speak but how can I speak!... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: You please start your speech.

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MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat.

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MR. SPEAKER: The Chair has already given a ruling. How can you now speak on the same subject?

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MR. SPEAKER: I have already called Shri Rosaiah. He is from your Party.

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MR. SPEAKER: I have called Shri Rosaiah, a Member from your Party, to initiate the discussion. He is a senior Member and he wants to speak on the Railway Budget. Please cooperate with him.

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SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD : Sir, it is the sacred duty of the hon. Speaker to protect the Members. I am being threatened. I am being intimidated.... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except the hon. Member, Shri Rosaiah who is participating in the discussion.

(Interruptions) ... (Not recorded)

12.14 hrs.

(At this stage, Shri Akbar Ahmad Dumpy and some other hon. Members came

and sat on the floor near the Table.)

MR. SPEAKER: Please start your speech. Are you ready or not?

SHRI ROSAIAH KONIJETE : Sir, the mikes are not working. I am not able to hear even you. ... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except what Shri Rosaiah says.

(Interruptions)*

MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.

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MR. SPEAKER: I have called Shri Rosaiah. Nothing but what he says will go on record.

(Interruptions)*

MR. SPEAKER: I request the Leader of the Opposition to cooperate. There is no time.

12.17 hrs.

(At this stage, Shri Anil Basu, Shri Vilas Muttemwar

and some other hon. Members came and stood on the floor near the Table.)

(Interruptions)*

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MR. SPEAKER: There is important business to be discussed today. Yesterday, you had finalised the list of business. I have allowed sufficient time on this. I have allowed Shri Rajesh Pilot, the Leader of the Opposition and Shri Shiv Shanker on this. I have allowed four Members on this matter. For a small matter, I have allowed four Members.

12.18 hrs.

(At this stage, Shri Anil Basu, Shri Vilas Muttemwar

and some other hon. Members went back to their seats.)

(Interruptions)*

MR. SPEAKER: I have already given my ruling on this. I have allowed four Members. This is a matter relating to the admissibility of a notice.

(Interruptions)*

MR. SPEAKER: You please go to your seats first and then speak.

12.19 hrs.

(At this stage, Shri Akbar Ahmad Dumpy and some other hon. Members

went back to their seats.)

(Interruptions)*

MR. SPEAKER: Please understand the position. This is a small matter with regard to the admissibility of a notice.

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SHRI SHARAD PAWAR (BARAMATI): Is it a small matter? We cannot tolerate this.

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MR. SPEAKER: Please hear me.

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SHRI SHARAD PAWAR : Money has been offered. You cannot say that this is a small matter. We cannot accept this. ... (Interruptions) Is it a small matter?

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MR. SPEAKER: No, not the content of it.

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SHRI SHARAD PAWAR (BARAMATI): Money has been offered here. The CBI has been used and you are calling this a small matter. We cannot accept it. ... (Interruptions) Because of this, you are calling it a small matter, but it is responsible for the formation of this Government* ... (Interruptions)

AN HON. MEMBER: Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is rather unfortunate to see .... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Rosaiah.

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MR. SPEAKER: The House stands adjourned to meet at 1 p.m.

12.22 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Thirteen of the Clock. -----------

13.03 hrs.

The Lok Sabha re-assembled at three minutes

past thirteen of the Clock.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair)

MR. SPEAKER: The House stands adjourned till 2 p.m.

13.04 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned for Lunch till Fourteen

of the Clock.

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

14.01 hrs.

The Lok Sabha re-assembled after Lunch at one minute

past Fourteen of the Clock.

(Mr. Speaker in the Chair)

MR. SPEAKER: I now call upon Shri Sharad Pawar to speak.

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