MR. SPEAKER: The time of the House may be extended by one hour. I think, the House agrees.SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (HAJIPUR): Sir, you extend the time of the House by two hours.
SHRI PURNO A. SANGMA : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will not take much time of the House.
Mr. Prime Minister, I wish to point out a very important aspect of your National Agenda. In your National Agenda, you spoke about universal primary education. Article 45 of the Constitution of India envisaged free and compulsory elementary education, which means, up to the 8th standard. Your Agenda says free and compulsory primary education up to the 5th standard. I am sure that it is a mistake that you have committed; it is not deliberate. We cannot go back from the provision of article 45 of the Constitution. It has to be elementary education and not primary education. You may kindly look into this point.
Having been the Labour Minister for nine long years, having been associated with the working class of this country for nine years, I was really disappointed to see that you have just made a passing reference about the working class in your National Agenda. The only thing that you have said is that organised and unorganised labour would be equal partners in production. That is all you have said about labour. You have no programme for the working class. You have no measures for their protection. I would appeal to the Prime Minister to have a look at it. In fact, in my speech from the Chair during the Special Session I had advocated for a second National Commission for Labour. I once again urge upon you to establish the second National Commission for Labour.
Sir, I have many things to say but due to time constraint, I would touch one more important point. There are points such as your policy on economy, economic reforms, continuation of reforms, the hon. Finance Minister's statement that the foreigners need not be afraid about the investment, etc. but I do not want to go into all these things. Shri P. Chidambaram, the former Finance Minister has already dealt with them. So, I am skipping them; only to caution that the national economy is not a pure science, it is a political economy. Well, I do not think that I should go into that.
Mr. Prime Minister, I would like to know specifically one thing from you. The hon. Member and the former hon. Prime Minister, Shri Chandra Shekhar has raised this point. In your National Agenda, as far as security of the country is concerned, you are very very categorical. It says:
"To ensure the security, territorial integrity and unity of India, we will take all all necessary steps and exercise all available options. Towards that end we will reevaluate the nuclear policy and exercise the option to induct nuclear weapons."
Now we come to the President's Address. Actually the language, expression and everything will be the same both in the the National Agenda and in the President's Address. I noticed a change only in that particular paragraph.
In that particular paragraph, it is said, "Security of the nation and its citizen is paramount. My Government will not compromise on this. The nation's sovereignty and territorial integrity will be protected at all costs". That is all.
You do not speak about weaponisation option in the President's Address. I do not know what happened from the day you announced your national agenda to the day the President addressed both the Houses of Parliament. Of course, I came to know from the newspapers that you had a telephone talk with President Bill Clinton. Is it the reason that the tone of the National Agenda has been diluted in the President's Address? We would like to know that. What transpired between both of you? I would personally like to know whether this matter was discussed by the Prime Minister with Mr. Bill Clinton.
Before I conclude, I just want to bring one notice for your personal intervention. Sir, I come from the North-East. I belong to a Scheduled Tribe community. The whole House has sympathy for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes. I do not want to go into that. Unfortunately I am very sorry for considering that whatever position we occupy, we occupy it out of charity. Yes, that is the impression and I do not like it. I did not like somebody making a reference to our hon. Speaker that today the country has a Dalit Speaker. Did he get it because he is a Dalit.? Did you give him out of charity? It is an insult. We, the Scheduled Castes, the Scheduled Tribes and the Backward Classes, only want that if we are qualified to hold any post, we should not be denied merely because we are the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes. This is what we want. We do not want any charity at all. Let me make it very clear.
After having taken this position, yet I want to bring something else which may sound contrary to what I am saying. The Delhi Government has decided that all the vacancies reserved for the Scheduled Tribes in the Delhi Administration should now be filled up by general category.
I will read. This is a letter written by the Chief Secretary of Delhi Administration to the Home Secretary. It says,
"The Government of Delhi proposes to delete the provision for reservation for Scheduled Tribes vacancies which were reserved for Scheduled Tribes and which could not be filled up for want of Scheduled Tribe candidates in Delhi will now be filled up by general candidates. In future, there will be no reservation for the Scheduled Tribes in any post in the Government of Delhi, in the local bodies and Undertakings under the Government of Delhi."
Kindly have a look at it. I know that legally it may be correct. I remember a Supreme Court's ruling and all. Legally it may be correct. But let it be a political decision.
We have a lot of tribal boys and girls coming to Delhi to study. There are thousands of them. You are talking about national integration. You are talking of people from the North-East to be brought to the national mainstream and yet if you deny such opportunities, I do not think it will be a correct policy. Kindly review this decision.
I only want to say this much though I had many things to say. Mr. Prime Minister, I do not know how long will you be able to continue. I am your admirer. You are a great orator, statesman, a poet but today I discover that you are something more than all those. This time I have found you to be a great political engineer and a great political mathematician.
I do not know whether it goes well with your reputation.
On the 28th May, 1996, when I was presiding over this august House, Mr. Prime Minister, I can tell you that you lost the confidence of the House, but you won the confidence of the people. Today you might win the confidence of the House, but, I am afraid, you have lost the confidence of the people of India.
I oppose this Motion.
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MR. SPEAKER: I will give an opportunity next time. Hon. Prime Minister is on his legs. Please take your seat. Please cooperate with the Chair. Please take your seat.
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SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : Sir, please give us a chance to speak. (Interruptions).
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SHRI P.C. THOMAS : Sir, we need only two minutes each. We have to divulge the views of the parties whether we are opposing or lending support. (Interruptions).
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MR. SPEAKER: Yes, what is your submission, Mr. Minister?
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SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA) : Sir, we have no objection if you extend the time of the House by one hour. ...(Interruptions) We have no objection.
MR. SPEAKER : I request each Member to take only two minutes each.
Shri Amar Roy Pradhan to speak now.
Shri Amar Roy Pradhan to speak now.
SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : Thank you sir.
Yesterday, Shrimati Sushma Swaraj told about Hindutwa. Today Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi also came out frankly on Hindutwa. Regarding the Hinduism you have pleaded your case with reference to the Supreme Court. You said that Justice Bharuchha and Justice Ahmadi of the Supreme Court gave their verdict that Hinduism was a tolerant faith. I hope that you are pleading this as you are very much a believer of Hindutwa. I think that most of the constituents of your 18-party combination are very much concerned about Hinduism and also the Vedas, Vedantas and Upanishads. There is a book with me titled Essays on Hinduism regarding Manuvada and Hinduism. I hope all of you agree with this. I quote :
"The Mundaka Upanishad (2.2.12) has the following verse :
Brahman verily is this immortal being.
In front is Brahman, behind is Brahman.
to the right and to the left.
It spreads forth above and below.
Verily, Brahman is this effulgent universe.
Similarly, the following important passage in the Svetasvatara Upanishad shows clearly that, although the Hindus worshipped many manifestations of the divine, they realized that behind them all there was the same all-pervasive Brahman :
Thou art the fire,
Thou art the sun,
Thou art the air,
Thou art the moon,
Thou art the starry firmament,
Thou art Brahman Supreme:"
Sir, in this connection I would like to know with great anxiety whether you are the real admirers of this. If you are the real admirers then it is to ask them that according to Hindu philosophy the Brahmans came from the forehead of Lord Brahma and those with weapons, the Kshatriyas came from the chest and the Vaishyas came from the knee of Lord Brahma and the Sudras came from the foot of Lord Brahma.
Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, you are a good friend of mine. You have been here in this House for a long time. I want to ask you whether you would like to speak just like Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi or Shrimati Sushma Swaraj have spoken or you would like to say that ultimately the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe people will be under that level only because you are playing the card of Hinduism. ...(Interruptions)
Sir, we would like to know this from you. There is this book titled Essays on Hinduism by Dr. Karan Singh who was the President of the World Hindu Conference or Vishva Hindu Parishad. ...(Interruptions)
Dr. Karan Singh has written a book on Hinduism. I think, you may have this book in the library.
Mr. Prime Minister, you have opened a Pandora's Box by saying Uttaranchal, Vananchal and Chhattisgarh will be made separate States and Delhi would be given full Statehood. Sir, what would happen then?
Yesterday one Member said here that there should be Statehood for Bodoland and they were ready to support it. Hon. Minister Shri Buta Singh is here. During his tenure, the Gorkha Hill Council was formed under the leadership of Subhash Ghising. He is now saying that he wants Statehood. What would happen to Vidarbha and Telangana? This type of demands will come from everywhere. So, please do not open the Pandora's Box in this way.
Therefore, I cannot support the Motion. Rather I oppose the Motion moved by the Prime Minister.
I rise here to register a very committed opposition to this Motion of Confidence in the Council of Ministers laid by the Prime Minister, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, on behalf of my party, the Autonomous State Demand Committee. I oppose this not because of some sentimental or emotional reasons or because I have some ideological dogmatism. I oppose this in the interests of millions of unemployed youth of the country. I oppose this Government in the interests of the underprivileged, the tribals, the Dalits and the backwards of this country, in the interests of the common man of this country and, the most important, in the interests of democracy and national integration. I find myself dutybound to oppose this Motion.
I do not want to repeat all those things, about their hidden agenda, about the moral authority they have lost, about the compromise they have made with corruption and with so many other caprices. But as nobody, no leader has pointed out the policy about the North-Eastern States, I want to confine myself only to that.
MR. SPEAKER: Yesterday, all the five names were called but you were not present. Today, you are demanding to speak. Please conclude now.
DR. JAYANTA RONGPI : The Prime Minister yesterday said that in the South Block, the Ministers had changed but the policy had not changed. It is confined not only to South Block. It is also there in the North Block.
The policy has not changed so far as the North-East is concerned. The successive rulers of the North-East have deployed the Army to crush the democratic movement of the people of the North-East. The successive Governments at Delhi tried to divide and crush the democratic movement of the North-East and tried to bargain with the regional parties, who have vacillating stands, somehow or other to get their support and in the process violated the human rights of the people of the North-Eastern region. I have seen that this Government is also not different from the other Governments of this country.
I would have been very happy if at least a word about some introspection had been said. Five decades back when the Army was deployed in the North-East, there was only one insurgent outfit. Now, after five decades, there are 20 insurgent outfits in the North-East.
So, is it not the time to have an introspection? But there is no commitment from the Government that there would be an introspection. I do not want a magic to be performed from the North Block, but at least the Government should have stated that they would review its North East policy in the backdrop of five decades of extremist disturbances there.
MR. SPEAKER: Dr. Jayanta Rongpi, please conclude now. I am going to call the next speaker.
DR. JAYANTA RONGPI : Sir, I would conclude by making one last point.
Sir, I cannot support this Motion because the B.J.P. has taken the help of feudal elements, especially in Bihar. The growth of the B.J.P. in Bihar is not a healthy growth. They have taken the help of feudal landlords and the army of the feudal landlords, that is, the Ranvir Sena and because of that they have got quite a number of seats in Bihar. (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude now.
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MR. SPEAKER: I am calling Shri Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi to speak now.
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DR. JAYANTA RONGPI : Sir, with these words, I oppose the Motion of Confidence in the Council of Ministers.
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