XI LOK SABHA DEBATES,   Session V (Monsoon) 

Monday, August 04, 1997/Shravana 13, 1919 (Saka)



Type of Debate:	SPECIAL MENTION

Title:	Threat against entry of the Railway Minister in Mumbai on his decision
to start the Konkan Railway trains from a particular station.

TEXT :
 SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR):  Mr.   Chairman,  Sir,  there  is  one  very
important  matter  which concerns the functioning of the Centre and the State.
The present threat that has been given against our Minister of Railways  by  a
leader  of a political party in one State in this country is something unheard
of.  It has never happened in the past and it has been openly  being  said  in
Maharashtra by  the  leader  of  Shiv  Sena,  which  is the ruling party.  The
alleged reason is that the Minister of Railways' decision to start the  Konkan
Railway trains  from  a  particular station.  On that count, his partymen have
been directed not to allow Shri Ram Vilas Paswan to enter the State.   I  have
never in  my very humble experience - seen nothing like this.  I have no doubt
that the real reason is the Minister's statement after he visited those places
where the dalits were tortured that there should be President's rule.  Whether
I agree with the Minister or not, that  is  different.    Supposing  the  hon.
Minister  of  the  Union  of  India - in our country, anywhere for that matter
expresses his views or even  as  a  Minister,  if  he  takes  a  decision  ...
(Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Please take your seat.




			
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SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH - CENTRAL):



¸ÉÒ ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ ®úɴɱÉä (¨ÉÖ¨¤É<Ç nùÊIÉhÉ-¨ÉvªÉ) :  nùʱÉiÉ Eò®úEòä =x½þÉäÆxÉä Ê´É®úÉävÉ xɽþÒÆ ÊEòªÉÉ ½þè*
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 =ºÉEòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ Ê´É®úÉävÉ xɽþÒÆ ½þÖ+É ½þè* 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


MR.  CHAIRMAN:  You will have your say.

	Let him finish.

			...  (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAMOD  MAHAJAN  (MUMBAI  -  NORTH  EAST):   There is no Zero Hour and if
somebody stands up and raises ...  (Interruptions) You must  allow  us.    You
must give us a chance.  ...  (Interruptions)





				
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SHRI SATYA PAL JAIN :



¸ÉÒ ºÉiªÉ {ÉÉ±É VÉèxÉ (SÉhb÷ÒMÉgø) :  +É{É <ºÉ ¨ÉɨɱÉä {É®ú ¨ÉiÉ ¤ÉÉäʱÉB* ʤɽþÉ®ú Eòä +Ænù®ú VÉ¤É ±ÉɱÉÚ
ªÉÉnù´É xÉä nùÉäxÉÉäÆ ¨ÉÆÊjɪÉÉäÆ EòÉä ®úÉäEòxÉä EòÒ vɨÉEòÒ nùÒ lÉÒ +Éè®ú =xÉ {É®ú ½þ¨É±ÉÉ ½þÖ+É lÉÉ, iÉ¤É +É{É
EªÉÉäÆ xɽþÒÆ ¤ÉÉä±Éä?  
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 +É{ÉEòÒ {ÉÉ]õÒÇ Eòä ±ÉÉäMÉ iÉÉä +{ÉxÉä |ÉvÉÉxÉ ¨ÉÆjÉÒ EòÉä
¦ÉÒ xɽþÒÆ ¤ÉÉä±ÉxÉä nùäiÉä +Éè®ú ´É½þ Eò±É ´ÉÉEò+É=]õ Eò®ú MÉB lÉä* =xÉEòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ ¦ÉÒ +É{É EòÖUô ¤ÉÉäʱÉB*


			...  (Interruptions)



SHRI RUPCHAND  PAL  (HOOGHLY):   Shri Ram Vilas Paswan has not been allowed to
enter the State.  Here, we find that the  hon.    Member  has  not  even  been
allowed to speak....  (Interruptions) You allow him to speak.




				
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SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN (MUMBAI NORTH EAST):



¸ÉÒ |ɨÉÉänù ¨É½þÉVÉxÉ :  +É{É EªÉÉ ¤ÉÉiÉ Eò®ú ®ú½þä ½þèÆ* 
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 ¤ÉɱÉ`öÉEò®úä EòÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ EòÉä
½þÉ=ºÉ ¨Éä ¤ÉgøÉ-SÉgøÉ Eò®ú {Éä¶É Eò®ú ®ú½þä ½þèÆ* 
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MR.  CHAIRMAN :  Please take your seat.




				
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SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH - CENTRAL):



¸ÉÒ ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ ®úɴɱÉä :  {ÉÆÊb÷iÉ VÉ´Éɽþ®ú ±ÉÉ±É xÉä½þ°ü ¦ÉÒ ¤ÉÆnù MÉÉc÷Ò ºÉä MÉB lÉä, =x½þä ¦ÉÒ ®úÉäEòÉ
MɪÉÉ lÉÉ* 
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 ´É½þÉÆ Eòä ±ÉÉäMÉ ¨ÉÉÆMÉ Eò®ú ®ú½þä ½þèÆ* 
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 VÉ¤É {ÉɺɴÉÉxÉ
VÉÒ Eòä >ð{É®ú ʤɽþÉ®ú ¨ÉäÆ ½þ¨É±ÉÉ ÊEòªÉÉ lÉÉ iÉÉä +É{É EªÉÉ Eò®ú ®ú½þä lÉä?


SHRI P.C.  CHACKO (MUKUNDAPURAM):  If he wants, let him speak.  But why should
he shout at  the  hon.  Member who is speaking?  What Shri Pramod Mahajan said
should not go on record....  (Interruptions) If any leader in  any  State  has
said  that  a  particular  Minister will not be allowed to enter the State, we
have every reason to raise it in the House....  (Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Please take your seat.




				
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SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH - CENTRAL):



¸ÉÒ ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ ®úɴɱÉä :  ªÉ½þ ¦Éc÷EòÉxÉä EòÒ EòÉäÊ¶É¶É Eò®ú ®ú½þä ½þèÆ*


SHRI P.C.  CHACKO :  Maharashtra is not anybody's family property.

			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Please take your seat.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  I shudder to think  what  is  going  to  happen  in
Mumbai  if  in  the  House,  this  is  the response before I have completed my
sentence.  If this is the response  from  the  hon.    Members  of  Parliament
representing  that  State,  I  do  not know what will happen in the streets of
Mumbai.




				
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SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH - CENTRAL):



¸ÉÒ ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ ®úɴɱÉä :  <ºÉºÉä ¨ÉÖƤÉ<Ç ¨ÉäÆ nùÉä¤ÉÉ®úÉ iÉxÉÉ´É ½þÉä ºÉEòiÉÉ ½þè*


SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  With one  or  two  more  sentences,  I  would  have
finished my speech.  If it had been merely political response of a leader of a
political  party  to  a  political  issue -- even I cannot support that -- one
might have said that.  I hear from Shri Pramod Mahajan saying that that  party
also said  the similar thing.  If a Minister's decision is being challenged by
saying that he would not be allowed to enter the State...(Interruptions)



SHRI VIJAY GOEL (SADAR - DELHI):



¸ÉÒ Ê´ÉVÉªÉ MÉÉäªÉ±É :  +MÉ®ú ʨÉÊxɺ]õ®ú EòÉ¨É xɽþÒÆ Eò®úäÆMÉä iÉÉä {ÉÚ®úä nùä¶É ¨ÉäÆ |ÉÉä]õäº]õ ½þÉäMÉÉ*
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SHRI ROOPCHAND PAL (HOOGHLY):



¸ÉÒ °ü{É SÉxnù {ÉÉ±É :  EªÉÉ ªÉ½þ |ÉÉä]õäº]õ Eò®úxÉä EòÉ iÉ®úÒEòÉ ½þè?  
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)

Is  it  a  way  to  protest  that a Minister would not be allowed to enter the
State?...  (Interruptions)

SHRI VIJAY GOEL (SADAR - DELHI):



¸ÉÒ Ê´ÉVÉªÉ MÉÉäªÉ±É :  +MÉ®ú ʨÉÊxɺ]õ®ú EòÉ¨É xɽþÒÆ Eò®úäÆMÉä iÉÉä ºÉÉ®úä nùä¶É ¨ÉäÆ |ÉÉä]õäº]õ ½þÉäMÉÉ*
¨Éä®úä ªÉ½þÉÆ Eò¨ªÉÖÊxÉ]õÒ ºÉäÆ]õ®ú xɽþÒÆ ¤ÉxÉÉ ½þè ½þ¨É ¦ÉÒ |ÉÉä]õäº]õ Eò®úäÆMÉä* 
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SHRI ANANDRAO VITHOBA ADSUL (BULDHANA):



¸ÉÒ +ÉxÉxnù®úÉ´É Ê´É`öÉä¤ÉÉ +b÷ºÉÚ±É (¤ÉÖ±ÉføÉxÉÉ) :  +MÉ®ú EòÉä<Ç EòÉ¨É xɽþÒÆ ½þÉäiÉÉ ½þè iÉÉä xÉäSÉÖ®ú±É ½þè,
BäºÉä ½þÒ ¤ÉÉä±ÉÉ VÉÉiÉÉ ½þè*


SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D.   CHAVAN (KARAD):  Your party is in the Government there...
(Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN :  Mr.  Chacko, please, let him conclude.


SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  Sir, there is an instigation to take the  law  into
the hands against  a  Union Minister...  (Interruptions) Mr.  Chairman, I feel
that the House cannot ignore such things and I hope that such a situation will
not be there.  I must express my appreciation that Shri Ram Vilas Paswan,  our
hon.   Railway  Minister,  has  accepted  the  challenge and has decided to go
there.

SHRI ANANDRAO VITHOBA ADSUL (BULDHANA):



¸ÉÒ +ÉxÉxnù®úÉ´É Ê´É`öÉä¤ÉÉ +b÷ºÉÚ±É :  +É{É =xÉEòÉä Eò½þxÉä nùäÆ ÊEò SÉè±ÉäÆVÉ BEºÉè{]õ ÊEòªÉÉ ½þè* +É{É
EªÉÉäÆ Eò½þ ®ú½þä ½þèÆ?


SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  I want to express my concern on  the  matter  which
relates to the relations between the Centre and the States.  It will create an
imbalance  in  the  functioning,  therefore,  I submit that when we are asking
for...  (Interruptions)

SHRI NITISH KUMAR (BARH):



¸ÉÒ xÉÒiÉÒ¶É EòÖ¨ÉÉ®ú :  EªÉÉ +É{ÉEòÉä ʤɽþÉ®ú Eòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ EòÖUô xɽþÒÆ Eò½þxÉÉ ½þè?


SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  You have Bihar-phobia and you have nothing  else...
(Interruptions) Therefore, I submit that this is a matter...  (Interruptions)

SHRI NITISH KUMAR (BARH):



¸ÉÒ xÉÒiÉÒ¶É EòÖ¨ÉÉ®ú :  ºÉÉä¨ÉxÉÉlÉ VÉÒ, ¨ÉÖ¨¤É<Ç ¨ÉäÆ VÉÉä ¨ÉÒÊ]õÆMÉ ¨ÉäÆ ¤É¨É SɱÉÉ =ºÉEòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ
¦ÉÒ EòÖUô ¤ÉÉäʱɪÉä* EªÉÉ =ºÉ {É®ú +É{ÉEòÉä EòÖUô xɽþÒÆ Eò½þxÉÉ ½þè*


MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Please conclude.

SHRI SOMNATH  CHATTERJEE  :    Sir,  our country has a sort of a quasi federal
structure  and  the  States  and  the  Centre  have  their  respective  areas.
Therefore, this is a matter which is a matter of concern which I wish to share
with the House.

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN (MUMBAI NORTH EAST):



¸ÉÒ |ɨÉÉänù ¨É½þÉVÉxÉ :  ½þ¨ÉÉ®úä º]õä]õ ºÉä ºÉƤÉÆÊvÉiÉ ¤ÉÉiÉäÆ ½þÉä ®ú½þÒ ½þèÆ, ½þ¨ÉEòÉä ¤ÉÉä±ÉxÉä
nùÒÊVÉB* 
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SHRI RAM NAIK (MUMBAI NORTH):



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ºÉä VÉÉB iÉÉä VÉÉxÉä ´ÉɱÉä ±ÉÉäMÉÉäÆ EòÉä ºÉÖÊ´ÉvÉÉ ½þÉäMÉÒ*





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	=ºÉ |ɶxÉ ¨ÉäÆ ªÉ½þ {ÉÚUôÉ lÉÉ ÊEò

        
        "Whether  the  Government  was  aware of public demand that all
        Konkan railway trains should run from  Chatrapati  Shivaji  and
        Dadar terminals?"




	=ºÉEòä =iiÉ®ú ¨ÉäÆ =x½þÉäÆxÉä ªÉ½þ Eò½þÉ ÊEò

        
        "There has been a number of demands to start all Konkan railway
        trains from Dadar."




	Eòä´É±É nùÉä MÉÉÊb÷ªÉÉÆ SɱÉiÉÒ ½þèÆ* ªÉ½þÉÆ ºÉnùxÉ EòÉä MÉ֨ɮúɽþ Eò®úxÉä Eòä ʱÉB ªÉ½þ ¤ÉiÉɪÉÉ MɪÉÉ
ÊEò ´É½þÉÆ Eòä ʱÉB ¤É½þÖiÉ MÉÉÊc÷ªÉÉÆ SɱÉiÉÒ ½þèÆ* BEò MÉÉc÷Ò nùÉnù®ú ºÉä VÉÉ ®ú½þÒ ½þè, <ºÉ |ÉEòÉ®ú
EòÉ =iiÉ®ú ªÉ½þÉÆ nùäxÉä Eòä EòÉ®úhÉ ¨ÉÖ¨¤É<Ç Eòä +É¨É ªÉÉÊjɪÉÉäÆ ¨ÉäÆ MÉÖººÉÉ {ÉènùÉ ½þÉä MɪÉÉ*
b÷è¨ÉÉäFòäÊ]õEò VÉxÉiÉÆjÉ ¨ÉäÆ +{ÉxÉÒ ¨ÉÉÆMÉ EòÉä ®úJÉxÉä EòÉ EòÉä<Ç iÉ®úÒEòÉ ½þÉäiÉÉ ½þè* =x½þÉäÆxÉä +{ÉxÉÒ
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¤ÉgøÉ-SÉgøÉ Eò®ú ¤ÉiÉÉxÉÉ 
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SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN (MUMBAI NORTH EAST):



¸ÉÒ |ɨÉÉänù ¨É½þÉVÉxÉ :  EòÉÆOÉäºÉ EòÒ +Éä®ú ºÉä, ºÉÒ.{ÉÒ.B¨É.  EòÒ +Éä®ú ºÉä.  VÉxÉiÉÉ nù±É EòÒ +Éä®ú ºÉä
+Éè®ú nùںɮúÒ {ÉÉÊ]õǪÉÉäÆ EòÒ +Éä®ú ºÉä <ºÉ |ÉEòÉ®ú EòÉ ´ÉEiÉ´ªÉ ÊnùªÉÉ VÉÉiÉÉ lÉÉ ÊEò EòÉÆOÉäºÉ Eòä
°ü±É ¨ÉäÆ ¨ÉÆÊjɪÉÉäÆ EòÉä MÉÉÆ´ÉÉäÆ ¨ÉäÆ |É´Éä¶É xɽþÒÆ Eò®úxÉä nùäÆMÉä* <ºÉ |ÉEòÉ®ú Eòä føä®ú ºÉÉ®úä
´ÉEiÉ´ªÉ ºÉèÆEòb÷ÉäÆ ¤ÉÉ®ú +ÉB lÉä* ®úÉ¨É Ê´É±ÉÉºÉ {ÉɺɴÉÉxÉ VÉÒ ¨ÉäÆ BäºÉÒ EªÉÉ Ê´É¶Éä¹ÉiÉÉ ½þè =xÉEòÉä
<ºÉºÉä <iÉxÉÉ Eò¹]õ ½þÉä ®ú½þÉ ½þè* 
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SHRI RAM NAIK (MUMBAI NORTH):



¸ÉÒ ®úÉ¨É xÉÉ<ÇEò :  +ÉxnùÉä±ÉxÉ Eò®úxÉä EòÉ BEò iÉ®úÒEòÉ ½þÉäiÉÉ ½þè* ´Éä ®úɺiÉÉ ®úÉäEò Eò®ú =x½þäÆ
¤ÉiÉÉxÉÉ SÉɽþiÉä ½þèÆ* +{ÉxÉÒ ¨ÉÉÆMÉ EòÉä {ÉÚ®úÉ Eò®ú´ÉÉxÉä Eòä ʱÉB ´Éä +ÉxnùÉä±ÉxÉ Eò®úxÉä ´ÉɱÉä ½þèÆ* +¤É
ªÉ½þ Eò½þiÉä ½þèÆ ÊEò ½þ¨É MÉÉc÷Ò xɽþÒÆ SɱÉÉBÆMÉä* <ºÉEòÉ EªÉÉ ¨ÉiÉ±É¤É ½þè?  ´Éä VÉxÉiÉÉÆÊjÉEò iÉ®úÒEòä
ºÉä +ÉxnùÉä±ÉxÉ Eò®úxÉÉ SÉɽþiÉä ½þèÆ* <ºÉ {É®ú VªÉÉnùÉ EòÖUô Eò½þxÉä EòÒ +ɴɶªÉEòiÉÉ xɽþÒÆ ½þè* +É{ÉEòÉä iÉÉä
ʺɡòÇ ¦ÉÉVÉ{ÉÉ Ê¶É´ÉºÉäxÉÉ Eòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨Éä ¡òÉäʤɪÉÉ ½þÉä MɪÉÉ ½þè* ¡òÉäʤɪÉÉ ´ÉɱÉä ½þÒ <ºÉ |ÉEòÉ®ú EòÒ
¤ÉÉiÉ Eò½þiÉä ½þèÆ* 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN (MUMBAI NORTH EAST):



¸ÉÒ |ɨÉÉänù ¨É½þÉVÉxÉ :Eò¨ªÉÖÊxɺ]õ {ÉÉ]õÒÇ xÉä º]õä]õ MÉ´ÉxÉǨÉèÆ]õ EòÒ +Éä®ú ºÉä ºÉèÆ]õ®ú Eòä
ÊJɱÉÉ¡ò ¤ÉÆnù EòÉ +ɽ´ÉÉxÉ ÊEòªÉÉ lÉÉ 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI ROOPCHAND PAL (HOOGHLY):



¸ÉÒ °ü{É SÉxnù {ÉÉ±É :  ªÉ½þ Eò½þxÉä EòÉ EªÉÉ ¨ÉiÉ±É¤É ½þè ÊEò ʨÉÊxɺ]õ®ú EòÉä º]õä]õ ¨ÉäÆ PÉÖºÉxÉä
xɽþÒÆ nùäÆMÉä* 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN (MUMBAI NORTH EAST):



¸ÉÒ |ɨÉÉänù ¨É½þÉVÉxÉ :  {ɽþ±Éä BEò ®úä±É´Éä +ÉxnùÉä±ÉxÉ ¨ÉäÆ Eò½þÉ lÉÉ


	It is  not  a  general  statement.   Shri Ram Vilas Paswan has visited
Maharashtra twice in the last two weeks.  Nobody has said so.   He  has  every
right to  come  to Maharashtra.  But, as a part of the agitation, as he is not
acceding to our legitimate demand, to say that "Unless you accept this demand,
I will not allow you to come in my house" 


=ºÉ¨ÉäÆ EªÉÉ ¤É½þÖiÉ ¤Éc÷Ò MɱÉiÉÒ ½þè?    
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D.    CHAVAN  :    The Fatwa has come in only after his visit.
...(Interruptions)

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN :  It has to come from all  democratic  systems  when  the
Minister is unresponsive.  ...(Interruptions)



SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH - CENTRAL):



¸ÉÒ ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ ®úɴɱÉä :  ºÉ¦ÉÉ{ÉÊiÉ ¨É½þÉänùªÉ, EòÉäÆEòhÉ ®úä±É´Éä ¨ÉäÆ ®ú½þxÉä ´ÉɱÉä ¤É½þÖiÉ ºÉÉ®úä ±ÉÉäMÉ JÉäiÉ
¨ÉVÉnùÚ®ú ½þèÆ* ´Éä ±ÉÉäMÉ nùÉnù®ú, {É®úä±É, ʶɴɮúÒ, ±ÉÉä+®ú {É®úä±É, ±ÉÉ±É ¤ÉÉMÉ, ÊSÉÆSÉ{ÉÉäEò±ÉÒ, ¨ÉZÉMÉÉÆ´É,
PÉÉäc÷{Énùä´É, EòɱÉÉ SÉÉèEòÒ, {É®úä±É MÉÉÆ´É, |ɦÉÉ nùä´ÉÒ, ´Éc÷ɱÉÉ, JÉäc÷É ¤ÉÉVÉÉ®ú +Éè®ú ¤ÉÉä®úÒ¤ÉÆnù®ú
¨ÉäÆ ®ú½þiÉä ½þèÆ* BEò ¤É®úºÉ {ɽþ±Éä EòÉäÆEòhÉ ®úä±É´Éä ¶ÉÖ¯û ½þÖ<Ç* 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D.   CHAVAN :  They have a right to ask for that.  We are also
supporting it.  That is not a point.  You are deflecting this issue.  It is  a
question of Centre-State relationship.  It is a question of democracy.

SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH - CENTRAL):



¸ÉÒ ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ ®úɴɱÉä :  ¨É½þÉ®úɹ]Å Eòä ºÉ¦ÉÒ B¨É.{ÉÒVÉ.  xÉä ®úÉ¨É Ê´É±ÉÉºÉ VÉÒ ºÉä <ºÉ ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ
ÊxÉ´ÉänùxÉ ÊEòªÉÉ lÉÉ* ¨ÉèÆ º´ÉªÉÆ ®úÉ¨É Ê´É±ÉÉºÉ VÉÒ ºÉä ʨɱÉÉ lÉÉ* ¨ÉèÆ ®úä±É´Éä ¤ÉÉäb÷Ç Eòä SÉäªÉ®ú¨ÉèÆxÉ
ºÉä ¦ÉÒ Ê¨É±ÉÉ lÉÉ* =x½þÉäÆxÉä Eò½þÉ ÊEò ½þ¨É nùÉnù®ú ºÉä MÉÉc÷Ò ¶ÉÖ¯û Eò®ú ºÉEòiÉä ½þèÆ ±ÉäÊEòxÉ ¡òÆb÷ EòÒ
VÉ°ü®úiÉ ½þè* =x½þÉäÆxÉä Eò½þÉ ÊEò ½þ¨É <ºÉä nùäJÉxÉä ¨ÉÖ¨¤É<Ç ¨ÉäÆ +ÉBÆMÉä* ½þ¨ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉÖJªÉ¨ÉÆjÉÒ VÉÒ
xÉä ®úÉ¨É Ê´É±ÉÉºÉ VÉÒ ºÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ EòÒ lÉÒ* ¨ÉèÆxÉä {Éä{É®ú ¨ÉäÆ {ÉgøÉ lÉÉ ÊEò =x½þÉäÆxÉä ¦ÉÒ BäºÉÒ ¨ÉÉÆMÉ
EòÒ lÉÒ* +É{É nùÉnù®ú º]õä¶ÉxÉ ºÉä MÉÉc÷Ò SɱÉÉxÉä Eòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ ºÉÉäSÉ ¦ÉÒ ®ú½þä ½þèÆ*



¨ÉÖ¨¤É<Ç ºÉä +¤É iÉÒxÉ ®úä±ÉMÉÉÊc÷ªÉÉÆ ¶ÉÖ¯û ½þÉä ®ú½þÒ ½þèÆ*





ºÉ¦ÉÉ{ÉÊiÉ ¨É½þÉänùªÉ :  ´É½þ ®úÉ¨É xÉÉ<ÇEò xÉä ¤ÉiÉɪÉÉ ½þè*





			
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH - CENTRAL):



¸ÉÒ ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ ®úɴɱÉä :  ¨Éä®úÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ iÉÉä ºÉÖÊxɪÉä* ´Éä MÉÉÊc÷ªÉÉÆ UôjÉ{ÉÊiÉ Ê¶É´ÉÉVÉÒ ]õʨÉÇxÉ±É ºÉä
¶ÉÖ¯û ½þÉä ®ú½þÒ ½þèÆ* ½þ¨ÉÉ®úÒ ¨ÉÉÆMÉ ½þè ÊEò =xÉEòÉä nùÉnù®ú ºÉä ¶ÉÖ¯û ÊEòªÉÉ VÉɪÉä* <ºÉʱɪÉä ½þ¨É ±ÉÉäMÉ
+ÉxnùÉä±ÉxÉ Eò®úxÉä VÉÉ ®ú½þä ½þèÆ* <ºÉEòä {ɽþ±Éä ¦ÉÒ ºÉƪÉÖEiÉ ¨É½þÉ®úɹ]Å Eòä ºÉ¨ÉªÉ {ÉÚ´ÉÇ
|ÉvÉÉxɨÉÆjÉÒ º´É.  VÉ´Éɽþ®ú ±ÉÉ±É xÉä½þ°ü VÉ¤É ´É½þÉÆ MɪÉä lÉä iÉÉä ºÉ¤É {ÉIÉÉäÆ xÉä ¤ÉÆnù ÊEòªÉÉ ½þÖ+É
lÉÉ +Éè®ú EòÉÆOÉäºÉ xÉä ºÉÉlÉ ÊnùªÉÉ lÉÉ 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
 ..  VÉÉä ¸ÉÒ ºÉÉä¨É xÉÉlÉ VÉÒ xÉä Eò½þÉ ½þè,
´É½þ nùÖ¦ÉÉÇMªÉ{ÉÚhÉÇ ½þè* ½þ¨É =xÉEòÉ +Énù®ú Eò®úiÉä ½þèÆ* ʤɽþÉ®ú ¨ÉäÆ ®úä±É ¨ÉÆjÉÒ VÉÒ {É®ú ½þ¨É±ÉÉ
½þÖ+É lÉÉ iÉ¤É iÉÉä +É{É EòÒ VÉÖ¤ÉÉxÉ xɽþÒÆ JÉÖ±ÉÒ ÊEò ½þ¨ÉÉ®úä ®úä±É ¨ÉÆjÉÒ EòÉä ¨ÉÉ®ú ®ú½þä ½þèÆ ...
(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)..EªÉÉ +É{ÉEòÉä b÷®ú ±ÉMÉ ®ú½þÉ lÉÉ? <ºÉ ¤ÉÉiÉ EòÉä ®úÉVÉxÉèÊiÉEò ¨ÉɨɱÉÉ xÉ ¤ÉxÉɪÉÉ VÉɪÉä*





nùʱÉiÉÉäÆ Eòä Ê´É®úÉävÉ EòÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ Eò½þEò®ú VÉÉiÉÒªÉ iÉxÉÉ´É ¤Égø ºÉEòiÉÉ ½þè 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
..  <ºÉʱɪÉä
¨Éä®úÉ ÊxÉ´ÉänùxÉ ½þè ÊEò ºÉÉ®úÒ ®úä±ÉMÉÉÊc÷ªÉÉÆ nùÉnù®ú ºÉä SɱÉÉ<Ç VÉɪÉäÆ*


MR.  CHAIRMAN :  Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev please.

			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Please take your seat.  I have called Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev.
Nothing will go on record.

			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Nothing will go on record except Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev's
speech.




		(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) ..*.


			...  (Interruptions)



SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ (nùÊIÉhÉ Ênù±±ÉÒ):  ºÉ¦ÉÉ{ÉÊiÉ VÉÒ, ¨Éä®úÉ ´ªÉ´ÉºlÉÉ EòÉ |ɶxÉ ½þè*


MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Under what rule?

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ:  ¨Éä®úÉ ´ªÉ´ÉºlÉÉ EòÉ |ɶxÉ ªÉ½þ ½þè ÊEò ¸ÉÒ ®úÉ¨É xÉÉ<ÇEò EòÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ
ºÉä ªÉ½þ º{ɹ]õ ½þÖ+É ÊEò ®úä±É ¨ÉÆjÉÒ Eòä |É´Éä¶É {É®ú {ÉɤÉÆnùÒ EòÒ vɨÉEòÒ nùʱÉiÉ ¨ÉÆjÉÒ Eòä °ü{É
¨ÉäÆ...


SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D.  CHAVAN :  What is the point of order?

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ:  ¨Éä®úÉ ´ªÉ´ÉºlÉÉ EòÉ |ɶxÉ ªÉ½þ ½þè ÊEò {ɽþ±Éä ¨Éä®úÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ ºÉÖxÉ
±ÉÒÊVɪÉä iɦÉÒ +É{É °üʱÉÆMÉ nùÒÊVɪÉäMÉÉ* ¨Éä®úÉ {ÉÉ<Æ]õ +É¡ò +Éb÷Ç®ú ªÉ½þ ½þè ÊEò ¸ÉÒ ®úÉ¨É xÉÉ<ÇEò VÉÒ
EòÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ ºÉä ªÉ½þ º{ɹ]õ ½þÉä MɪÉÉ ÊEò ®úä±É ¨ÉÆjÉÒ ¸ÉÒ {ÉɺɴÉÉxÉ VÉÒ Eòä |É´Éä¶É EòÉä SÉÖxÉÉèiÉÒ nùÒ
MÉ<Ç ±ÉäÊEòxÉ nùʱÉiÉ ¨ÉÆjÉÒ {ÉɺɴÉÉxÉ Eòä |É´Éä¶É EòÉä SÉÖxÉÉèiÉÒ xɽþÒÆ nùÒ MÉ<Ç
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
..
±ÉäÊEòxÉ ¸ÉÒ ºÉÉä¨É xÉÉlÉ SÉ]õVÉÒÇ xÉä VÉÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ ªÉ½þÉÆ ®úJÉÒ ½þè, ªÉÊnù ´É½þ ¤ÉÉiÉ Eò±É {Éä{É®ú ¨ÉäÆ Uô{ÉiÉÒ
½þè iÉÉä ¤É½þÖiÉ VªÉÉnùÉ iÉxÉÉ´É EòÒ ÊºlÉÊiÉ ¨ÉÖ¨¤É<Ç ¨ÉäÆ {ÉènùÉ ½þÉä ºÉEòiÉÒ ½þè ÊEò nùʱÉiÉ ¨ÉÆjÉÒ {É®ú
®úÉäEò ±ÉMÉÉ<Ç MÉ<Ç ½þè, <ºÉʱɪÉä ¨Éä®úÉ +ÉOɽþ ½þè ..


			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Please take your seat.

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ:  <ºÉʱɪÉä ¨Éä®úÉ ÊxÉ´ÉänùxÉ ½þè ÊEò ªÉ½þ ¤ÉÉiÉ Ê®úEòÉb÷Ç ¨ÉäÆ ºÉä ÊxÉEòÉ±É nùÒ
VÉɪÉä iÉÉÊEò Eò±É ªÉ½þ xÉ Uô{Éä ÊEò nùʱÉiÉ ¨ÉÆjÉÒ Eòä |É´Éä¶É EòÉä SÉÖxÉÉèiÉÒ nùÒ MÉ<Ç*


			...  (Interruptions)


__________________________________________________________________________

* Not recorded


MR.  CHAIRMAN:   Please  take your seat.  There is nothing objectional in what
he has said.

			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  CHAIRMAN:  Please take your seat.

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ:  +SUôÉ, ªÉÊnù ªÉ½þ Ê®úEòÉb÷Ç ¨ÉäÆ ½þè iÉÉä +É{É ÊxÉEòÉ±É nùÒÊVɪÉä, ªÉÊnù ªÉ½þ
Eò±É Uô{É MÉ<Ç iÉÉä <ºÉEòÒ |ÉÊiÉÊFòªÉÉ ½þÉäMÉÒ*


SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  She is absolutely wrong..(Interruptions)

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGHLY): The tape-recorder is there.

MR. CHAIRMAN: There is nothing objectionable in what he has said.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  Let it be played on.  I do not mind.

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN :  If he has not said, then it is all right.




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