SHRI RAM NAIK  :    No,  no,  It  is  definitely  wrong.    Who has given this
information to you?

SHRI PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE :  I am sorry my hon.  friend Shri Ram  Naik.    With
your kind  permission  I  quote  from  this  report.   It was published in The
Pioneer of 14th July, 1997 and is titled "Sena on trial".  I may be allowed to
quote from it.

SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH-CENTRAL): You have to authenticate it.

SHRI PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE :  Yes.  Let me first complete my statement.  I quote
:


        "In   the  past  five  years,  as  many  as  508  incidents  of
        desecration of statues have  been  reported.  This  figure  was
        revealed  by  Chief  Minister Manohar Joshi in a statement made
        after a similar incident  involving  BR  Ambedkar's  statue  at
        Shrirampur  in  Ahmednagar  district  on  March  16, 1997. That
        incident too sparked off instant riots,  with  one  killed  and
        five  injured  in  police firing. The mushrooming of statues of
        leaders in the State,  especially  those  of  BR  Ambedkar  and
        Chhatrapati  Shivaji,  at  last  count  about  10,000, has only
        served  to  provide  a  ready  site  to  politically  motivated
        conflict. The genesis of this conflict, essentially one between
        Dalit   groups  and  the  Shiv  Sena,  can  be  traced  to  the
        long-running controversy over the renaming  of  the  Marathwada
        University after BR Ambedkar".

	This is my submission. It may be a false report. You may  rectify  it.
You  may give your counter judgement. But this is what I have got. The genesis
of the conflict had started from the incident of controversy over renaming  of
the  Marathwada University after Dr. Ambedkar. This incident cannot be allowed
in a sovereign democratic country. We condemn this incident. I urge  upon  the
Central  Government  and the concerned Ministry of Home Affairs to immediately
interfere in the affairs of Maharashtra.

	Sir, law and order are the essential things  of  a  State  Government.
They  are  the  essential  subjects  of  a  State Government. I do not want to
mention that the State Government have absolutely failed to  control  the  law
and  order  situation.  I  do  not  want  to  advocate  the  imposition of the
President's rule or the imposition of Article 356 in Maharashtra.  But  I  can
say  emphatically  that  if such is the social phenomenon when the incident of
controversy between the statue of Dr. Ambedkar and the statue  of  Chhatrapati
Shivaji  has  taken  place  in  such  a  shape,  the Central Government has to
interfere in the affairs to control it, to root out these things and  to  root
out the cause of tension. This is my humble submission.

SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D.  CHAVAN (KARAD):  What exactly must the Central  Government
do?   If  you  do  not advocate imposition of Article 356, then what should do
they do?

SHRI PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE :  There are many things.  ...(Interruptions) You  do
not force me to tell all those things.

SHRI RAM NAIK  :  He is also confused.  That is why he is seeking your advice.
...(Interruptions)

SHRI PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE :  Sir, I am not the competent authority to decide.

MR. CHAIRMAN (SHRI CHITTA BASU) :  Anyway, please conclude. 

SHRI PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE :  Sir, I will draw the attention  of  the  House  to
another point  that  Mumbai is the financial capital of our country, India.  I
think  the  progress  of  the  whole  country  depends  upon  the  peace   and
tranquillity in the life of Mumbai.  If there are no peace and tranquillity in
Mumbai the progress of the country would be at halt.  It is the most important
thing to be considered here today.

	We  know  the  history  of  Karachi  in Pakistan and what had happened
there. There are caste and communal clashes in Karachi. Karachi has become the
hotbed of Pakistan. We cannot allow Mumbai to become the Karachi of India.

	I know the history of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

	The  communal  and caste clashes are going on and the whole history is
going to be rewritten in another way.  That is the crux of the history of Yugs
slevia and parts of East European countries in this century.  We cannot  allow
India to  become  Bosnia-Herzegovina.    We  cannot  allow  Mumbai  to  become
Bosnia-Herzegovina.

	There is mushrooming of statues but there is also a social phenomenon,
that is, the impact of black money. Can anybody refuse or deny it  that  there
is no influence of the Gulf economy on the life of the people of Mumbai today?
They are going to be influenced by the impact of Gulf economy. Some people are
getting  richer  by  getting  involved  in  this  kind of business in the Gulf
countries. I do not know how far it is legal or illegal. That  is  a  separate
question.  But  I have seen, while travelling as a leader of the parliamentary
team over Mumbai, the impact of Gulf economy on the  life  of  the  people  of
Mumbai  which is determining so many things. I have also seen that there is an
influence of black money and underworld on the political and  social  life  of
Mumbai.  Is  the  Maharashtra State Government alone sufficient to control the
impact of Gulf economy  and  to  control  the  impact  of  underworld  on  the
political and social life of the people of Maharashtra? It is not so.

	I  do  not  want  to  mention  that  there  is  a  nexus  between  the
politicians, the underworld and  the  Mafia  world.  The  socialists  and  the
political  scientists  will  say such things. But as a Member of this House, I
can say that the whole public life, the peaceful life and the developing  life
of  Mumbai  is going to be polluted by the underworld, by the influence of the
black money and by the influence of the Gulf wealth.

MR.  CHAIRMAN :  We are not discussing underworld here.

SHRI PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE :  This has an impact on  the  controversial  issues,
like the one of this statue.

	I was hearing one fine story  from  my  good  old  friend,  Shri  G.M.
Banatwalla.  I  was  listening  to  him  -  he was a Member of the Maharashtra
Assembly at that time - how the  Shiv  Sena  was  created  by  the  direct  or
indirect  sanction  of  the  then  Congress  Chief  Minister and how they have
allowed it. So, it is a creation of the capitalist framework of  the  society.
Should  I  mention  all  these things? I want to mention that today we have to
forget our partisan spirit. We  have  to  take  into  consideration  that  the
success  and  development  of  our  whole India depend on the economic life of
Mumbai and on the peaceful and developing economy of the whole town of Mumbai.
So, the peace and tranquility  should  be  restored  in  the  life  of  Mumbai
immediately.  At  the same time, the social barriers and economic inequalities
between the two groups should be removed. I have seen the bastis and slums  at
the  Bandra station area. I was talking to Shri Madhukar Sarpotdar, the leader
of Shiv Sena in this House, about the things I saw there.

	On the one  side,  there  is  uneven  development  of  capitalism  and
modernism;  skyscrapers  and  big  buildings  are there and on the other side,
people are shelterless.  So,  the  Central  Government  has  to  pay  adequate
assistance  for the shelterless people. This shows that the uneven development
of capitalism and modernism has been going on there. I do not want to  mention
who is responsible for this. But I want to mention that economic inequality is
also  a factor behind such unhappy and unfortunate incidents. All these things
should be taken into consideration by the Central Government to  resolve  this
problem  keeping  in  mind  that  the  success and economic development of the
country depend on the peace and tranquility of social and  political  life  of
Mumbai.



SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (PONNANI):



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SHRI G.M.  BANATWALLA :  I am not yielding.

MR. CHAIRMAN: He is not yielding.

SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (PONNANI):



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should be taken out of the record.  ...  (


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