XI LOK SABHA DEBATES,   Session V (Monsoon) 

Tuesday, August 12/Shravana 21, 1919 (Saka)



Type of Debate: SPECIAL MENTION 	

Title:	Regarding passing of the Constitution (Eighty-First Amendment) Bill.

TEXT :
 12.03 hrs.


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			... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please listen to me.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA (BANKURA):  Item  No.  20  should  be  taken  up  first.
(Interruptions)

SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI (HOWRAH):



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Eò®úxÉÉ SÉÉʽþB * 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI  NIRMAL  KANTI CHATTERJEE (DUMDUM): Sir, the Bill relating to reservation
for women has been listed.

SHRI BASU DEB  ACHARIA  :    Sir, let us take up Item No.20.  No discussion is
required....(Interruptions)

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGHLY): Sir, without discussion, you straightaway put  it
to the vote of the House.

			... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please sit down now.

12.04 hrs

At this stage, Shrimati Lakshmi Panabaka and some other hon.  Members came and
stood on the floor near the Table.

			... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please wait a minute. Please wait.

			... (Interruptions)




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... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA :  This item should be taken up first.  When  will  this
Bill be taken up?...  (Interruptions)

SHRI NIRMAL KANTI  CHATTERJEE :  We should know the time of voting.  When will
it be voted?  This is a Constitution Amendment Bill.  (Interruptions)

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA :  It has been listed...(Interruptions)




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			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  DEPUTY-SPEAKER :  Please listen to the Minister.

			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  DEPUTY-SPEAKER :  Please take your seats.

			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  DEPUTY-SPEAKER :  Please go to your seats.

			...  (Interruptions)

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



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...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I request you all to please go to your seats.

			... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will ask the Minister to clarify.  Please  go  to  your
seats.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI PAPPU YADAV alias RAJESH RANJAN (PURVNEA):



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... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR): Sir, my request to the  Government  is  that
the discussion may be allowed to start. Let us hear what other parties have to
say.... (Interruptions) Let the discussion start. Let us hear the views of the
parties... (Interruptions)

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA  :    Sir,  item  No.20  should  be  taken  up.(


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... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)

 
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:  I will listen to each one of you.  Please go to your
seats.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  Sir, you take up the discussion.
...(Interruptions)

SHRI AJAY CHAKRABORTY :  Sir, let the discussion be started.

SHRI HARIN PATHAK (AHMEDABAD):



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... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA :  Sir, you start the discussion.

SHRI KASHI RAM RANA (SURAT):



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Pleae  go  to  your seats. I will listen to each one of you. Please go to your
seats.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  Mr.  Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I suggest that you  start
the discussion.  ...(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The House stands adjourned till one p.m.

12.12 hrs


 The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Thirteen of the Clock.


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13.00 hrs.

		(Mr.  Deputy-Speaker in the Chair)

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI NIRMAL  KANTI  CHATTERJEE  :    Sir,  what  has happened in the meantime?
....(Interruptions).  What is the date?  ....(Interruptions).

SHRI BASU  DEB  ACHARIA   :      Not   only   date,   but   also   the   time.
....(Interruptions).

SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE :  We want to know the date.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: First, we will take up Papers to be Laid on the Table.

 ------

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Saifuddin Soz.  Shri Ramakant D. Khalap.

SHRI RAM NAIK (MUMBAI NORTH): Sir, I am on a point of order.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There is a point of order.

SHRI RAM NAIK :  Sir, have those Ministers who have been absent informed  you?
If  the  Ministers  are not present - the Cabinet works as having a collective
responsibility - the other Minister can also get up and say that he is  laying
the paper.  What  is  this  Cabinet?    What  is  this  Government doing?  Two
Ministers are absent and they do not feel anything.  Nobody shows  a  oourtesy
to the  House and to the Chair just to inform that they are not present.  This
is a very serious issue.  How  can  papers  be  laid  in  this  manner?    The
Ministers need a rebuke from you that they are taking the House lightly.

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



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®ú½þÒ ½þè* 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please let him say something.

SHRI PAPPU YADAV alias RAJESH RANJAN (PURVNEA):



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ºÉ¨ÉÉ{iÉ Eò®úxÉÉ SÉɽþiÉä ½þèÆ* 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)





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			... (Interruptions)


SHRI RAM NAIK :  Sir, he must apologize to the House first.  The House  cannot
be taken so lightly.  (


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PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Sir, I feel sorry for not being present when my name  was
called.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Ramakant Khalap.

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



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ÊEò EòÉä<Ç ¦ÉÒ JÉc÷ä ½þÉäEò®ú ¤ÉÉä±É nùäÆ*


SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (HAJIPUR):



®úä±É ¨ÉÆjÉÒ (¸ÉÒ ®úÉ¨É Ê´É±ÉÉºÉ {ÉɺɴÉÉxÉ) : +¦ÉÒ ®úÉ¨É xÉÉ<ÇEò VÉÒ Eò½þ ®ú½þä lÉä ÊEò EòÉä<Ç Eò±ÉèÊE]õ´É
®úèº{ÉÉäÆʺÉʤÉʱÉ]õÒ ºÉä ¤ÉÉä±É nùä* ½þ¨ÉxÉä <ºÉʱÉB xɽþÒÆ ¤ÉÉä±ÉÉ SÉÚÆÊEò +É{ÉEòÉä <x¡òÉä¨ÉÇ xɽþÒÆ ÊEòªÉÉ
½þÖ+É lÉÉ* 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI RAM NAIK (MUMBAI NORTH):



¸ÉÒ ®úÉ¨É xÉÉ<ÇEò :  +É{É +{ÉxÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ ¨ÉiÉ EòÊ®úªÉä* EòèʤÉxÉä]õ Eòä ¤ÉÉEòÒ Eòä ʨÉÊxɺ]õ®úÉäÆ ºÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ
EòÊ®úªÉä xÉ, ºÉÉäVÉ ºÉɽþ¤É xÉä Eò½þÉ ÊEò JÉänù |ÉEò]õ Eò®úiÉä ½þèÆ*


	Sir, has Shri Ramakant Khalap informed you?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No.

SHRI RAM  NAIK  :    Then,  how  can Shri Jena lay the paper on behalf of Shri
Ramakant Khalap?  Unless he informs you in writing it cannot be done.

SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



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SɱÉäMÉÉ* 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (HAJIPUR):



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{ÉÉʱÉǪÉɨÉäÆ]õ®úÒ Ê¨ÉÊxɺ]õ®ú ªÉ½þÉÆ ½þèÆ* VÉÉä ¨ÉÆjÉÒ ªÉ½þÉÆ xɽþÒÆ ½þèÆ, =xÉEòä ¤Énù±Éä ¨ÉäÆ
=x½þäÆ {Éä{ɺÉÇ ±Éä Eò®úxÉä EòÒ +xÉÖ¨ÉÊiÉ nùÒ VÉɪÉä* 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ :  ºÉnùxÉ ¨ÉäÆ <ºÉ iÉ®ú½þ ºÉä xɽþÒÆ ÊEòªÉÉ VÉÉ ºÉEòiÉÉ* ÊEòºÉÒ Eòä ʤɽþÉ¡ò {É®ú
+É{É EòèºÉä {Éä{ɺÉÇ ±Éä Eò®ú ºÉEòiÉä ½þèÆ?  
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)

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13.08 hrs.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, Matters under Rule 377.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI  NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE (DUMDUM): Sir, when will the Women's Reservation
Bill be taken up for discussion? (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, we  want  that  the
Women's Reservation Bill should be taken up for discussion. (Interruptions)




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¤ÉÉäʱɪÉä* 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ (nùÊIÉhÉ Ênù±±ÉÒ) : ªÉ½þ ºÉ®úEòÉ®ú ºÉnùxÉ Eòä ºÉÉlÉ ¨ÉJÉÉè±É Eò®ú ®ú½þÒ ½þè* 11
+Éè®ú 12 iÉÉ®úÒJÉ EòÉä VÉÉä ºÉʨÉÊiÉ ÊEò Ê®ú{ÉÉä]õÇ ½þè, =ºÉ¨ÉäÆ 11 iÉÉ®úÒJÉ EòÉä ªÉ½þ Ê¤É±É +ɪÉäMÉÉ* ...
(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) +Éè®ú <ºÉEòä ¤ÉÉnù <ºÉEòÉä {ÉÉÊ®úiÉ ÊEòªÉÉ VÉɪÉäMÉÉ*





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¤ÉÉäʱɪÉä* 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ :  <ºÉºÉä ºÉ®úEòÉ®ú EòÒ xÉÒªÉiÉ EòÉ {ÉiÉÉ SɱÉiÉÉ ½þè* +MÉ®ú Ê¤É±É EòxºÉÒb÷®úä¶ÉxÉ
Eòä ʱÉB xɽþÒÆ +É ºÉEòÉ iÉÉä <ºÉ{É®ú SÉSÉÉÇ xɽþÒÆ ½þÉä ºÉEòäMÉÒ* Ê{ÉUô±Éä ºÉè¶ÉxÉ ¨ÉäÆ ¦ÉÒ ªÉ½þ Ê¤É±É +ɪÉÉ
½þè* 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


13.09 hrs.		(Mr.  Speaker in the Chair)


SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (SOUTH DELHI):



¸ÉÒ¨ÉiÉÒ ºÉֹɨÉÉ º´É®úÉVÉ :  ¨ÉÉxÉxÉÒªÉ +vªÉIÉ VÉÒ, ªÉ½þ <ºÉ Ê¤É±É EòÒ nùÖMÉÇÊiÉ ½þÉä ®ú½þÒ ½þè* <ºÉ
Ê¤É±É EòÒ nùÖMÉÇÊiÉ ½þÉäiÉä ½þÖB ½þ¨É EòèºÉä nùäJÉ ºÉEòiÉä ½þèÆ?





... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


MR. SPEAKER: Let us listen to Shri Somnath Chatterjee. I  will  come  to  you.
Please take your seat.

			...  (Interruptions)

MR.  SPEAKER:  I will give you a chance. Let us hear Shri Somnath Chatterjee.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  Sir, I am referring to the Women's Reservation Bill
about which  very  strong  feelings  are  here in the House.  We feel that the
discussion should, at  least,  start.    I  am  not  saying  that  it  has  to
steam-rolled or that  no  time should be allowed.  Every hon.  Member, subject
to your kind permission, should be allowed to participate in  the  discussion.
Whoever  has any views to give on the inclusion of the OBCs or the minorities,
there is no question of preempting anybody from  saying  whatever  he  or  she
wants to say  here.   After the reply of the hon.  Minister of Railways, and I
am told that another one hour or one-and-a-half hour will be taken for passing
the Supplementary Demands for Grants of the Finance Ministry, let  the  matter
be   taken   up   today   so  that,  at  least,  the  discussion  will  start.
(Interruptions)  Sir,  about  the  inclusion  of  the  OBCs,  they  can   give
amendments.  The  Parliament is meant for discussing these issues.  We want to
decide through discussion and deliberation.

	Sir,  the  Government  is committed, we are committed and you are also
committed ...  (Interruptions)

MR.  SPEAKER:  Let him have his say.  I will give you a chance.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :  Sir, you have also been very kind to  express  your
view that  the matter should be taken up for discussion.  I cannot say whether
it can be passed in this Session or not, but the matter should  be  discussed.
...  (Interruptions)

SHRI PAPPU YADAV alias RAJESH RANJAN (PURVNEA):



¸ÉÒ ®úÉVÉä¶É ®úÆVÉxÉ =¡òÇ {É{{ÉÚ ªÉÉnù´É :  <ºÉ ºÉ´ÉÉ±É {É®ú ºÉÉ®úä ºÉnùxÉ EòÉä ʴɦÉÉÊVÉiÉ Eò®ú ÊnùªÉÉ ½þè*
<ºÉ ºÉ´ÉÉ±É {É®ú ºÉÉ®úÉ ºÉnùxÉ VÉ¤É iÉEò BEò¨ÉiÉ xɽþÒÆ ½þÉäiÉÉ, iÉ¤É iÉEò ºÉnùxÉ EòÒ ¦ÉÉ´ÉxÉÉ EòÉä ºÉ¨ÉZÉÉ xɽþÒÆ VÉÉ
ºÉEòiÉÉ* 
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


MR. SPEAKER: Let us hear Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev. Please be cool and calm. I am
not going to decide it quickly. Let us hear what is the view of the House.



SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (SILCHAR):  When  we  are  having  a  function  on  the
occasion  of  completing  50 years of Independence, we are making a mockery of
parliamentary democracy. The Bill has been  brought  by  the  Government.  The
Government  has  placed  it  on  today's  List  of Business. Yesterday, in the
Leaders' meeting, I assured total support on behalf of my Party. At  the  same
time,  we wanted the United Front Government to be united on this Bill in this
House. But you can see the condition of this Ruling Party.  They  are  divided
among  themselves.  From my Party's side, how do the women Members debate? How
can you pass a Bill? (Interruptions) Let me finish. I am surprised to see that
the CPI (M) is very vocal on this. The man whom they  have  projected  as  the
future  Prime  Minister of the country, that gentleman, who is in the Cabinet,
was objecting to it in the meeting. Can they not convince that person? This is
double thinking. So, let there be a discussion and let them  not  try  to  put
something.

SHRI SOMNATH  CHATTERJEE  :    I  am very sorry that Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev is
trying to utilise  today's  position  to  refer  to  something  which  has  no
relevance here.    Shri  Inder  Kumar  Gujral, who is the leader of the United
Front Government and whom we are supporting, is  supporting  this  as  anybody
else.  My  hon.   friend, whose Party is supporting from outside, is trying to
give us lectures about whom to support or whom not  to  support.    I  am  not
prepared to get lectures from him.

The  question is : What is your commitment to this Bill? Let the House decide.
Let there be free voting.. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : Let there be voting.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI QAMARUL ISLAM (GULBARGA):



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... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
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... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
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... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)



SHRI SHARAD YADAV (MADHEPURA):



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(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) nùä¶É ¨ÉäÆ ºÉ®úEòÉ®ú ½þè* ±ÉÉäMÉ +±ÉMÉ-+±ÉMÉ {ÉÉ]õÒÇ Eòä ½þèÆ, ´Éä ʨÉÊxɺ]õ®ú ¦ÉÒ ½þèÆ +Éè®ú
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®ú½þä ½þèÆ? ¤Éɽþ®ú ¤Éè`öEò®ú EªÉÉ Eò½þ ®ú½þä ½þèÆ? ¨ÉèÆ =xÉEòÉ xÉÉ¨É ±ÉäEò®ú ¤ÉÉä±ÉÚÆ iÉÉä ªÉ½þ `öÒEò xɽþÒÆ
½þè* 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN  DEV  :   What has he said last time?  Let him say what his
view is.  Everybody is giving advice to us.  You have  said  that  during  the
last Parliament Session.    (Interruptions) Do not be advising.  You give your
opinion.  What is your opinion?

SHRI SHARAD YADAV (MADHEPURA):



¸ÉÒ ¶É®únù ªÉÉnù´É :  ºÉÆiÉÉä¹É ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ nùä´É VÉÒ, ¨ÉMÉ®ú +É{É VÉÉä ¤ÉÉä±É ®ú½þä ½þèÆ, ªÉ½þ ´ÉÉÊVÉ¤É ¤ÉÉiÉ xɽþÒÆ
½þè* +É{ÉEòä ºÉnùºªÉ ¤Éɽþ®ú EªÉÉ Eò½þiÉä ½þèÆ +Éè®ú +Ænù®ú EªÉÉ Eò½þiÉä ½þèÆ, b÷¤É±É ¤ÉÉiÉ ¨ÉiÉ EòʽþB* ...
(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (SILCHAR):



¸ÉÒ ºÉÆiÉÉä¹É ¨ÉÉä½þxÉ nùä´É :  +É{É ¤ÉÉäʱÉB, +É{É +{ÉxÉÉ +ÉäÊ{ÉÊxɪÉxÉ ¤ÉiÉÉ<B*
...  (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)


MR. SPEAKER : There cannot be an exchange of words like this.

			... (Interruptions)




+vªÉIÉ ¨É½þÉänùªÉ: ªÉ½þ EªÉÉ ½þÉä ®ú½þÉ ½þè?





 
... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)



SHRI MADHUKAR SARPOTDAR  (MUMBAI  NORTH-WEST):  Yesterday  we  discussed  this
matter  in  the  leaders'  meeting.  This  Women's  Reservation  Bill has been
introduced in the House long before and thereafter we have taken up this  Bill
for  discussion. Earlier also, the House discussed it. What I notice over here
is, yesterday we have taken a decision on this, but yet the subject matter  of
this  Bill  is  taken  up  here in the House today and all the other Bills are
there which are slated. Yet they started insisting on this Women's Reservation
Bill as if to say that if this Bill is not  passed,  the  functioning  of  the
entire  country  would  come  to  a  stop.  This  is wrong. Once we reach some
understanding, we should have some respect for that  understanding.   

	Yesterday  it  is  a  fact that Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav was there and
Shri Somnath Chatterjee was also present there. Both of them  expressed  their
viewpoints.  We  expressed  our viewpoints.(Interruptions) Thereafter, we took
some decision. What I notice here is -- and that is my grievance  --  that  as
and  when  Shri  Somnath Chatterjee stands up, he has been allowed to speak on
every occasion. It is wrong. (Interruptions) Whenever we  stand  to  speak  in
this  House,  we  have not been allowed time. Shri Somnath Chatterjee has been
allowed the best parliamentary hours of time. But we are not allowed time like
that. It does not mean that the discipline of the House should be spoiled like
that. It is wrong. We have got certain things to say. If  the  Government  has
decided  to  introduce  this  Bill and to have a discussion on this Bill, they
should come unitedly. The name of the party is United Front  Party.  Let  them
come unitedly and thereafter we can have deliberations in this House.

SHRI JASWANT SINGH :  Mr.  Speaker, Sir, it  appears  that  this  occasion  is
being  utilised  more  for putting the record straight than for examining this
subject...(Interruptions)




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