<b>XI LOK SABHA DEBATES,  <i> Session IV (Budget) </i>
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XI LOK SABHA DEBATES,   Session IV (Budget) 

Thursday , February 27, 1997 / Phalguna  8, 1918 (Saka)





Type of Debate: MOTION OF THANKS ON THE PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS

Title: Motion of Thanks on the President's Address (Contd.- Not Concluded)

TEXT :
 
 MOTION OF THANKS ON THE PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS - contd.


1430 hours

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, we take up the Motion of Thanks  on  the  President's
Address.

	I  would  like  to tell that the time allotted for this discussion was
nine hours. Nine hours and fifty two minutes have already been taken.




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			... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please listen to me first.

			... (Interruptions)

SHRI P. NAMGYAL (LADAKH): Reply is not going to be given today.  So,  we  have
plenty of time and we should also be allowed. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI  PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE (BERHAMPORE) (WB): From our party, nobody has spoken
so far. ... (Interruptions)






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I hope, you are satisfied.






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	Shri Ramanathan may please continue his speech.






				
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SHRI ILIYAS AZMI (SHAHABAD):





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Now Shri Ramanathan.




1431 hours

SHRI M. RAMANATHAN (COIMBATORE):


 (FOR THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE HON. MEMBER'S SPEECH MADE IN TAMIL,

 PLEASE SEE THE SUPPLEMENT)




1452 hours

SHRI PRAMOTHES MUKHERJEE (BERHAMPORE) (WB):  Thank  you,  Mr.  Deputy-Speaker,
Sir,  for  the  opportunity  given to me to express our views on the Motion of
Thanks to the President for his Address. On behalf of my party (RSP) I rise to
extend my support to the Motion of Thanks proposed by  our  hon.  friend  Shri
Sharad Yadav.

	I have the highest regards for the President and I do  appreciate  his
Address  given before both the Houses. While appreciating the Address given by
the President, I have some reservations  also  which  I  will  explain  in  my
speech.

	We have come to judge the three areas of top priority to be taken care
of  by  the  United Front. It was announced by the United Front that there are
three areas of top priority to be taken care of in the interests of the people
of India. These  three  areas  are:  (1)  cleanliness  in  high  offices,  (2)
restructuring  Centre-State  relations,  and  (3) the economic promises of the
Common Minimum Programme.

	The success or failure of the Government can be judged only in respect
of these three areas of top priority as announced by the United Front  at  the
time  of  assuming  power. This Government has assumed power just eight months
back and this short tenure  of  eight  months  is  too  little  to  critically
estimate  the  achievements  or failure of the Government. Only the motives of
the Government, the mode and principles of planning of the Government  can  be
judged, and can be critically estimated.

	It is also a fact that this Government has assumed the power  only  to
pay respects for the unusual complex mandate of the people. And the mandate of
the  people  was  to  just  form  a coalition Government and to form a secular
Government on the basis of social justice and equity. So, the judgement should
and can easily be estimated by seeing the performance  of  the  Government  in
this respect alone.

	Secularism and federalism are the two key words of this Government. So
far as I can understand from their promises, secularism and federalism are the
two  key  words  on  which this Government stands. We can judge it when we see
that the people of Jammu and Kashmir have come,  without  any  fear,  to  cast
their  votes according to their own choice. There was a secessionist force and
they are now taking part in the political process of the whole India.

	Holding  assembly  elections  in  Jammu  and Kashmir is a good sign of
federalism. We have seen that the  people  of  Jammu  and  Kashmir  have  come
forward  to  take  part in the political process of the Indian mainstream. The
right and dutiful people and young men of  Jammu  and  Kashmir  were  entirely
misguided  during  the last decade. Today, we see that they are coming forward
to take part in the political process and in the developmental process of  the
State  and they are taking part in the various developmental activities of the
State. This is the one good sideof the coin. 

	There is also another side of the coin. We see that the  stability  is
being  established  in  the  economic  field  of  Jammu  and Kashmir or in the
political and social fields of Jammu and Kashmir. But the stability  in  Jammu
and  Kashmir or its attempt to restore the stability in Jammu and Kashmir does
not imply the satisfactory stability in the case of  North-Eastern  States  of
India.

	If  you look at the serious conditions and subversive activities going
on in the  entire  North-Eastern  Region,  you  will  be  puzzled.  There  are
subversive  activities;  there  are  foreign  mercenaries;  there  are the ISI
activities. There are some people in North-Eastern States who think that  they
are  not  the  citizens  of  India.  They  are always trying to get themselves
alienated from the mainstream of the Indian society and that is the reason why
subversive activities are also going on. The North-Eastern States are in  such
a horrible state in the social field.

	We have just seen that the Prime Minister has made an announcement for
the  restoration  of normalcy in this State in the economic and social fields.
He has already announced a revival package to the tune of  Rs.9000  crore  for
the  restoration of economic and social life of the North-Eastern States. More
things are necessary for this purpose.

	Economy is the backbone of a particular area and for the people living
in a particular area. That economic backbone has  been  broken  down  and  the
whole situation stands on the break down of the economic situation. The reason
behind the subversion activities and the reason behind the secessionism in the
North-Eastern  Region  is  only  due  to  the frustration of the people in the
economic life. So, a simple announcement cannot solve  this  problem.  Let  us
hope  for the best that they are brought back to restore the economic life; to
rejuvenate the economic life and to restore  the  political  process  of  this
area.

	Economic frustration has not been touched by the President's  Address.
It  is  very  painful  that  there  is  poverty;  there  is  hunger;  there is
unemployment; but there is the positive attempt on the part of the  Government
to solve these basic problems.

We can see that the  Employment  Assurance  Scheme  is  being  implemented  in
different  districts  of  the country. But this Employment Assurance Scheme is
not enough. It cannot solve the problems of unemployment of educated youth. It
is the agro-industry which can only  solve  this  problem.  There  is  a  good
attempt  made for the continuation of agro-industries. Our country is based on
agriculture but agro industry is not possible unless  the  scientific  way  of
land  reforms  is  made  therein. Land reforms is a State Subject. There is no
positive attempt on the part of the Central Government  to  ensure  that  land
reforms are done in a scientific process, in a modern way, and within a target
period. This is the basic problem.

	We have heard many things  from  our  Government  and  from  the  hon.
Finance   Minister  that  foreign  investment  is  coming,  and  multinational
corporations who are coming will solve the basic problems. I want to know from
the Government where is the foreign investment. So far as  foreign  investment
is  concerned,  it  has  been  recorded  in  the table that there is a foreign
investment but more than 60 per  cent  of  the  foreign  investment  had  been
intended  to  be employed in the heavy industries. But the heavy industries in
India cannot solve the problem of unemployment. It is only the agro-industries
and  the  small  scale  industries  which  can  solve  the  basic  problem  of
unemployment in the rural areas of our country. But there is no effort made in
this  direction. What else can we do with the help of foreign investment which
has not been utilised for infrastructure building but which has been  utilised
only  for  the  heavy  industries?  What  else  can  we  do  with  the help of
multinational corporations?  The  heavy  industries  cannot  solve  our  basic
problems.  So,  the  whole  country  tends  to  be  bankrupt  in economy. This
bankruptcy in the economic life of the country is leading to  the  failure  of
the  foreign  policy  of this Government. I may seek your permission to remind
India's defeat in the election to  the  non-permanent  seat  in  the  Security
Council.  India's  defeat against Japan indicates the failure of diplomacy and
foreign policy of the Government of India.

1503 hours	(Shri Nitish Kumar in the Chair)

	We  have  a  heritage  that  we took the leadership of the Non-aligned
Movement. There is a heritage of Nehru, Nasser and  Tito.  So,  who  took  the
lead?  India  took  the lead. We took the leadership. But, today, it indicates
that we have lost our credibility. We have lost our prestige. We have lost our
leadership. In the election to a non-permanent seat in  the  Security  Council
against  Japan, India could not secure the votes of the Non-aligned countries.
All the non-aligned countries did not come forward  to  cast  their  votes  in
favour  of  India  although  at  one  time,  we  took  the  leadership  of the
Non-aligned Movement. Today the scenario of the world has been changed. The
whole world was a bipolar world. But, today, the  whole  world  has  become  a
unipolar world. We know the evils of transition from bipolar world to unipolar
world.  This  unipolar  world  is  governed  by  the Euro-American imperialist
forces. We know all these things.  But  till  today,  there  is  a  historical
necessity  of  the Non-aligned Movement. India could take up the leadership of
this Non-aligned Movement but India could not attract non-aligned countries to
cast their votes in favour of India. This is the failure of the Government  of
India in respect of its diplomacy and foreign policy.

	Sir,  I have heard from the Ministry of External Affairs that Pakistan
had influenced a good number of countries. The countries that were  influenced
by  Pakistan  did  not  cast  their  votes  in  favour  of India. What does it
indicate? Our Government had absolutely failed to the diplomacy  of  Pakistan.
Pakistan  could not do anything at the time of Pandit Nehru or for that matter
even at the time of Shrimati Indira Gandhi.

Why  today we have to kiss the failure because of Pakistan? We cannot do that.
It was not expected to be done. You would be astonished and we were astonished
when we heard that though Russia had cast its vote in favour of India,  France
cast  its  vote  in  favour of India, Cuba, Egypt and Iran had also cast their
votes in  favour  of  India,  yet  India  could  not  secure  votes  from  the
Non-aligned  countries  for  opposition  from Pakistan. It is astonishing that
India could not utilise its friendship with Russia, France,  Cuba,  Egypt  and
Iran.  This  is  the  failure  of  the diplomacy and the foreign policy of the
Government of India. There is no mention of this failure  in  the  President's
Address.  That  is why, though we appreciate it and we have the highest regard
for the President, we cannot absolutely support the  President's  Address.  We
give our support with some reservation.

	Lastly,  I  have  something  to say on the Non-Aligned Movement. India
even today can take the leadership of the Non-Aligned Movement. That  Movement
has  been  carried on with some historical importance in spite of the division
of the world. Today, the Third World countries, the  hungry  generations,  the
unemployed  youth  and  the  innumerable suffering people are fighting against
Euro-American Imperialism. India today can take the leadership of those hungry
people of the Third World countries to fight against imperialistic forces.

	Sir, we welcome the recently  concluded  Ganga  Water  Sharing  Treaty
between Bangladesh and India. We also appreciate the efforts of the hon. Chief
Minister  of West Bengal, Shri Jyoti Basu for having played a significant role
in the making of this Agreement. But Sir, with a broken heart, I beg to remind
here that this area, that is, Farraka,  Malda,  Murshidabad,  the  territorial
districts of West Bengal have suffered on account of recurrence of floods.

	Hon. Prime Minister, Shri H.D. Dewe Gowda had visited this area and he
announced that something positive would be done for the  people  in  order  to
rescue  them  from  the  recurrence of floods. But no positive action has been
taken so far. This cannot be accepted as a good  gesture  on  the  part  of  a
democratic  and  sovereign  Government.  Commitment  to  the  people  must  be
fulfilled within a reasonable period.

	Sir,  anti-erosion  schemes  in  the  interest  of people the of these
territorial districts should be adopted immediately. This is my suggestion.	I
would like to say something about safe drinking water and  education.  I  have
been  given  to  understand  that  you have also spoken on that. Safe drinking
water should be supplied to the people in rural  areas.  Free  and  compulsory
education  upto  the  age  of  14  years  be  given  to  every one. It was the
commitment  of  the  Constitution  makers  and  this  should  be   immediately
fulfilled. Otherwise, the country cannot progress.

	Progress and sovereignty depend  upon  the  good  wishes  and  sincere
efforts  of  the Government. We expect that Government will cooperate and will
go forward in this direction. With these  few  words,  I  conclude  my  speech
giving our support to the Motion of Thanks on the President's Address.

	Thank you, Sir.

						(ends)



SHRI CHAMAN LAL GUPTA (UDHAMPUR):





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