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SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI (DEOGARH): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, we have the
Railway Budget presented here in this House on 26th February, 1997. Two days
after, the General Budget, as usual, was presented on the last day of
February. As Shri Pramod Mahajan was mentioning, a separate Budget on Railways
was thought of 74 years ago in 1924. On the recommendation of the Actworth
Committee, it was decided that Railway Accounts should be separated from the
General Accounts. Accordingly, a provision for separate Railway Budget was
made.

	Even after the Independence, the Railways used to dominate not only in
transport sector of our country but also playing a very dominant role in the
entire economic scenario of the country. In 1950-51, the Railways accounted
for 91 per cent freight movement of the total goods traffic. That was the
position at the beginning of our Plan period. But what is the present
position? Today, the Railways carry less than 40 per cent of the total goods
traffic and 60 per cent of the goods traffic has gone to the road sector.

	As regards passenger traffic, during 1950-51, 80 per cent of the total
passengers were availing of Railway transport and the residue, that is about
20 per cent passengers were using road transport. Now the present position is
just the reverse. About 80 per cent of the total passengers travel by road and
the rest 20 per cent travel by train. The figure of 11 million passengers
which the hon. Railway Minister referred to, comes to 20 per cent. This is the
position.

	Again Sir, what will happen by 2000 A.D... (Interruptions)

Sir, by 2000 A.D., i.e., by the turn of the century, according to the Economic
Survey -- which was circulated a few days before -- the freight traffic by
road which is now 60 per cent would go up to 65 per cent and 35 per cent would
go to the rest.

	Again,  in respect of passenger traffic, 87 per cent will move by road
transport and 13 per cent will move by rail. What sort of  dominance  Railways
claim in our economy and in our transport sector?

	I need not minimise the importance  of  Railways.  There  are  certain
welcome  features  in the functioning of Railways. Our Railways are the single
largest public sector enterprise  and  the  single  largest  employer  in  the
country.  It  is  the  largest  railway  in  the whole world. Ours is the only
railway which runs on profit also. This is the only railway  which  also  pays
dividend  to  the general exchequer. These are positive things associated with
our Railways.

	There are certain other features which I welcome and I thank the
Minister for that. Of course, we know that in Railways, there are some
planners, economists and bureaucrats who always try to highlight or emphasise
that Railways are losing their commercial character day by day, it should be
totally commercial. At least, in India, we cannot look at Railways from that
angle. India is a country with many languages. It is a vast country; it is a
large country with many languages, many races, hilly areas and so many other
things. Therefore, to maintain national integrity is the topmost important
[5task of all of us. To strengthen that much called for integrity, Railways
also have to play a very important role right from Jammu to Kanyakumari and
from North-East to Kutch.

	In this year's Budget speech, the Minister has asserted this time also
that Railways cannot be merely a commercial concern; they have  also  to  meet
certain social obligations. We welcome this. As you know, the objective of our
Plan  is  growth  with  social  justice.  We have to fight regionalism. In the
North-East and Jammu and Kashmir, there was no railway earlier. Of course,  in
respect  of  Jammu  and  Kashmir,  two  years before, there was a programme to
connect Kashmir portion by railways during the previous  Government's  tenure.
This aspect is a very welcome feature.

	So far  as  the  budgetary  support  is  concerned,  hitherto  it  was
dwindling. At one point of time, I think, during the Fifth Plan period, it was
as  high  as  75  per cent. Last year, it came down from 75 per cent to 16 per
cent.  It  cannot  be  denied  that  Railways  come  under  the  category   of
infrastructure.  Railways are the best infrastructure in our country and it is
a catalyst for the development  of  our  country.  Therefore,  this  budgetary
support  has  got  to  be  adequate.  There  should  be adequate provision for
Railways by way of budgetary support. It should not be reduced. This year,  it
has risen from 16 per cent to 21 per cent. This is a good thing. So far as the
provision  to  North-East  and Jammu and Kashmir is concerned, it is a welcome
feature.

	Thirty-seven surveys have been included in this  year's  Budget.  Some
eleven  new  trains  are  being  introduced.  There  is  some expansion or the
frequency is being increased. These  are  something  and  it  seems  to  be  a
compilation  of the demands made by Members of different parties. Some demands
were accepted, some were not accepted and some were partially accepted. On the
whole, it seems to be a compilation of those demands.

	For completion of the ongoing lines, we want a mind-boggling figure of
Rs.20,000 crore, according to one estimate based on today's price index. In
course of time, escalation will be there and this figure will also undergo
upward revision. That way Rs.20,000 crore will be Rs.30,000 crore and
Rs.40,000 crore. That is the problem. To meet the requirements of the other
sectors of railways, another Rs.20,000 crore to Rs.30,000 crore will be
necessary. If this is the position today, what is going to happen in the 21st
century which we are fast approaching? This is the second Budget of this
Government presented by Shri Ram Vilas Paswan. We are on the verge of 21st
century. That way, it appears to be a very very ad hoc Budget. Perspective
planning, future planning and National Plan are not reflected in this Budget.
It is not a happy thing.

	I said that there is five per cent increase in long-distance sleeper
coach and ten per cent increase in AC First Class. I do not grudge that ten
per cent increase in AC First Class. There is 12 per cent increase in freight
rate. These are the highlights of this year's Budget.

	As regards five per cent increase in sleeper class, I would like to
say that even common people are required to undertake long and overnight
journey and, that way, I do not think the hon. Minister's assertion that "I am
not taxing the common man", is correct. Common men also do travel by train
overnight. That way, common man is also affected.

	There is 12 per cent increase in freight rate. Without any fear of
contradiction, I would like to say that Indian railway freight now is the
highest in the world. There is 23 per cent increase in the course of seven
months. That way, this year is very much inflationary in nature. Everybody
knows that it is a question of time when petroleum price hike will be there.
Any day there will be upward revision of the prices of petroleum products.
Coupled with this, there will be five per cent increase in charges of road
transport sector in the General Budget.

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): Fare is the same.

SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI (DEOGARH): Freight rates will affect the economy. I
think earlier also this point has been dealt with at length. That way, 3.2 per
cent further increase will be there. The inflation rate was four per cent when
you took over as Minister of Railways. Now when you are presenting this
Budget, it is double that figure and it will move upward. I am sure we will be
happy if it does not touch double digit figure. But we have every reason to be
apprehensive that it will go beyond ten per cent. It will be 11 per cent or 12
per cent. That is the apprehension today. In spite of that, Railway Board has
made a ridiculous claim -- last time also in July and again they have repeated
this time after the presentation of this Budget -- that the effect will be
minimal on the prices. I do not know how the Railway Board is coming to this
conclusion. Let them not ridicule.

Let them say that this is their predicament and they have to increase the
freight rate, fare rate etc. But why are they coming before the public with
the ridiculous statement saying that it will have no effect, that it will have
minimal effect and insignificant effect on our economy? Instead, this will
have a cascading effect on our economy. The 12 per cent increase in freight
rate at a stretch, another 10 per cent increase effected only seven or eight
months back, the price hike in respect of the petroleum products which is in
the offing and the five per cent increase in respect of other things, all will
have a cascading effect on the economy. There is no doubt about it.

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SHRI SRIBALLAV  PANIGRAHI  (DEOGARH):  I  am  grateful  to  the  hon.  Railway
Minister.  I  wish  that  he has some little patience! I am not like any other
hon. Member just criticising the Budget. I am explaining  the  real  position,
what it is like.


SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN (MURSHIDABAD): You are criticising the other Members
while saying: "I am not like other Members."

SHRI  SRIBALLAV  PANIGRAHI  (DEOGARH):  I am not criticising others. When your
turn comes, you speak.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Shri Sriballav Panigrahi, please address the Chair.

SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI (DEOGARH): I said what it is  like.  I  am  analysing
what  is the present position and I want to say what should be done. Today, in
the beginning itself, I have said that there are certain good features in  the
Budget.  In  the  beginning,  I  have  said  that  the  railway  is  the  main
infrastructure, this is a catalyst for the development of the country and more
and adequate budgetary support should be there. I have  said  this.  I  am  on
record.  At  the  same  time, I am on the point of what effect these increases
will have on the economy. I was trying to say about that.

	Sir, I know the predicaments of the  hon.  Minister.  As  far  as  the
country  is  concerned,  there  are  the  challenging  situations ahead of the
Railway Minister. We have got  to  do  much  more  in  consultation  with  the
different  political  parties.  There  should  be good understanding among the
various people. We have to involve the workers also. We  have  to  ensure  the
participation  of  the workers in the management. It is not an individual task
that the Minister is facing. But it is there ahead of us all in  the  days  to
come,  in  the  21st century. How can we address these problems? I have my own
suggestions and I will make my suggestions now.

	Over the last six or seven months, the health  of  the  Railways,  the
economy  of  the Railways, instead of making improvement, is deteriorating. It
is indicated through the operational cost ratio. As you know, the  operational
cost  ratio is something like the working expenses of the Railways in relation
to their total gross income. It stands today at  91  per  cent.  Seven  months
before, when Shri Ram Vilas Paswan became the Minister, it was at 86 per cent.
So,  over the last seven months, it has gone up by 5 per cent more. Why should
I say that there is an ad  hoc  approach?  I  know  his  helplessness.  He  is
helpless. But, at the same time, it has got to be analysed here.

	Again, about the percentage of price hike, I am coming to that.

This  Railway  Budget  will  result in the rise in prices of coal by Rs.45 per
tonne. One will have to pay eight paise more for one litre  of  HSD  and  nine
paise per litre for petrol before the other hike takes place.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Panigrahiji, you can continue next time.




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