XI LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session IV (Budget) XI LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session IV (Budget) Monday , May 05 , 1997 / Vaisakha 15 , 1919 (Saka)
Type of Debate: INTRODUCTION OF MINISTERS
Title: The Prime Minister introduced Shri S.R. Bommai, Minister of Human Resource Development. Text: THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI I.K. GUJRAL): Sir, with your permission, may I introduce to you a familiar face, of course in the House, Shri S.R. Bommai, Minister of Human Resource Development?DR. ARUN KUMAR SARMA : Mr. Speaker Sir, the Hepatitis-B Virus which causes jaundice and liver cancer is deadlier than AIDS, prevalent in the world. This disease is not only transmitted through sexual contact and blood transmission as in the case of AIDS but it is also communicated by infected mosquitoes and by infected razors during shaving. The infants are also more susceptible to this infection because it is carried from the mother.
The number of such infections and the reported deaths are indicated in the reply given by the hon. Minister. It is 2434 during the last three years. It may not be correct because of the lack of proper diagnostic procedures followed in the entire health centres in the country. I want to know from the hon. Minister, precisely what diagnostic system is followed in diagnosis of this disease in different health centres of this country.
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DR. ARUN KUMAR SARMA The transmission of this disease through mosquitoes has been quoted from a book; this is not a question of any report.
One more point, the hon. Minister has stated that three-five per cent of the population of India constitute a potential carrier of this Hepatitis-B Virus. We know that in the entire world 200 million such carriers are there and out of which 20 per cent are in the South-East Asian countries. Most of these South-East Asian countries like, Thailand, Japan and China have been taking preventive measures and massive vaccination programmes to control this disease because infants in these areas are more susceptible to this transmittable disease.
The hon. Minister has stated that the vaccination of 2.5 crore infants will require more than Rs.500 crore and because of that they could not take up any vaccination programme. I want to know from the hon. Minister, in collaboration with these South-East Asian countries and the funding agencies like WHO and other organisations in the world which are concerned with the health prevention programmes, whether some specific programmes have been initiated by the Ministry.
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DR. RAM CHANDRA DOME As per the statement of the Minister, it is found that this disease is an important and dreaded disease. It is not less dreaded than AIDS. It is mainly blood-borne disease and infected through contaminated blood, particularly, during blood transfusion and also during accidental injection needle prick. Though it is a problem of the common people but professionals are very much vulnerable to the disease due to accidental needle prick.
MR. SPEAKER : You do not have to explain all this. If you have a question, you please ask.
DR. RAM CHANDRA DOME It is an important thing. We have some tragic experience in our professional life. That is why I am citing this example. So the first important thing to prevent this disease is definitely to take safety measures about blood down to the district sub-divisional blood bank level.
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DR. RAM CHANDRA DOME But today, regarding prevention of blood borne diseases like Hepatitis-B or A, etc., the blood safety measures are not satisfactory at all. Thousands and lakhs of private blood banks are mushrooming in this country and nobody is there to supervise the safety measures. So what concrete steps have the Government taken to prevent the disease by ensuring blood safety measures down to the district sub-divisionl blood bank level in the public and private sectors? That is part one of my question.
The second part of my question is regarding vaccination. An economic production of vaccine for Hepatitis-B is not being made. But my concrete question is, what measures have the Government taken to economise the production of vaccines, particularly indigenously where our pioneer research institute, the ICMR is there? What are they doing in this regard?
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MR. SPEAKER : We will see to it.
DR. ARVIND SHARMA Sir, this is a very important thing. A Half-an-hour discussion should be allowed on this subject.
SHRI DATTA MEGHE Sir, please allow a Half-an-hour discussion.
DR. RAM CHANDRA DOME Sir, this is a question of national importance. Please allow a Half-an-hour discussion. ...(Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER : I know that it is important. In fact in the Business Advisory Committee, I proposed that the Demands for Grants of the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare should be taken up for discussion. We could not do it because the Minister concerned is attending a Conference of the W.H.O. in Geneva. That is why we could not discuss it. We will try to find out some way because it is an important subject - not only this but Health as a whole. I also know it.
SHRI M.P. VEERENDRA KUMAR (CALICUT):
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SHRI S.R. BOMMAI : Mr. Speaker, Sir, already 389 Navodaya schools have been sanctioned and out of these 374 have come into being. When the scheme was announced, there were 432 districts. We hope to start the other schools in a phased manner. Every year, normally, we start some schools. As and when the land is available and proposals come from the State Government, we will start the Navodaya schools. We hope to complete and cover all the districts within the next three-four years.
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SHRI S.R. BOMMAI : I said that in three-four years' time we will be covering all the districts.
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SHRI S.R. BOMMAI : Sir, every school provides food, clothing and residential facilities. On every student the Government is spending about Rs. 12,000 and out of this Rs. 425 per month is spent on food. As and when the prices go up we increase the amount also. ...(Interruptions)
SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH Sir, the idea of Navodaya Vidyalaya scheme was to set up a school in each district as envisaged by the former Prime Minister of India the late Rajiv Gandhi under the New Education Policy. The aim of Navodaya Vidyalaya is to impart quality education to talented rural children all over the country. Now the Navodaya schools are facing a serious crisis due to inefficient management and lack of teachers.
The Navodaya concept is to select talented students from poor families in rural areas in each district and give them proper education. But this aim has not been achieved so far. Therefore, may I know from the hon. Minister whether the Government of India will allocate more funds to Navodaya Schools to improve the quality of education in those schools and also provide adequate infrastructure in each school?
I would also like to know from the hon. Minister whether the Government proposes to increase the number of divisions as well as the students in each Navodaya School every year as the number of applications for admission is ever increasing.
SHRI S.R. BOMMAI: Sir, as I have already stated, when the scheme was started there were 432 districts. Now each State has created more districts and there are more than 532 districts now. The Government will start these schools first in 432 districts. We have already sanctioned 389 schools and other schools would be started within three or four years.
The quality of education in these schools is much higher than that of the CBSE Schools which are supposed to be the standard ones. I will give the results. In 1994, in Navodaya Schools the result was 78.50 per cent whereas in CBSE Schools it was 73.98 per cent in 1995. In Class XII, the result in Navodaya Schools was 81.98 per cent and in CBSE Schools it was 70.90 per cent. This only indicates the high standard of education in Navodaya Schools which is maintained. If there are any specific cases where the schools are not properly functioning, I will look into them.
SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH There a number of schools like that.
SHRI S.R. BOMMAI: So far as the results are concerned, the Navodaya Schools are much better than the CBSE Schools. The standard is very much higher. If there are any specific complaints, I will look into them. (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Shri Chitthan, are you going to demand for Navodaya Vidyalayas in Tamil Nadu?
SHRI N.S.V. CHITTHAN Sir, I am going to ask that question.
It has been rightly said that Navodaya Vidyalayas are being set up to impart quality education to talented rural children. So far as Tamil Nadu is concerned, Navodaya Vidyalayas have not been started in all the newly formed districts and also in some of the old districts. May I know from the hon. Minister whether the Government will take earnest steps to start Navodaya Vidyalayas in all the districts in the ensuing academic year?
MR. SPEAKER: Very good. It is a very welcome question.
SHRI S.R. BOMMAI: Sir, the Government of Tamil Nadu is not interested... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: That is why I said that it is a welcome question.
DR. K.P. RAMALINGAM : Sir, he does not represent the whole of Tamil Nadu.
SHRI N.S.V. CHITTHAN Not the whole of Tamil Nadu; but we are interested. Some of the schools are functioning there. (Interruptions)
SHRI S.R. BOMMAI: Sir, the States of Tamil Nadu and West Bengal are not willing to have Navodaya Schools. That is the problem. If they are willing we will start these schools. (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: I know everybody would like to ask a question. In fact, I would also like to ask a question.
SHRI V. DHANANJAYA KUMAR Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister has been speaking about starting more and more new schools. I would like to know from the hon. Minister about the situation and the conditions prevalent in the existing schools. I would like to bring to his notice one example. In my constituency, in Kodagu district where severe cold weather conditions are prevalent, recently one small girl student aged about 10 years, who was a student studying in the Navodaya School there, had committed suicide.
They do not provide hot water for bathing purposes. Even the quality of food that is being supplied is below nutrition standards. In many schools there are inadequate staff as well as teaching staff. Some of the schools suffer for want of a proper building and other accommodation facilities also. I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether due care will be taken to improve all these conditions before setting up more and more new schools.
SHRI S.R. BOMMAI: Sir, so far as the teacher student ratio in Navodaya Schools is concerned, it is 1:20 compared to the other ordinary schools where the ratio is 1:40. Adequate teachers are appointed every year.
So far as the specific case of Kodagu District is concerned, I will get the matter enquired into.
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