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MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri K.P. Raddaiah Yadav strongly pleads that we should sit and complete the discussion today . Is it so?
(Interruptions)
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let us see for half-an-hour. Let the hon.
Member continue.
[Translation]
SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV: This is a very important matter. As hon. Minister will reply tomorrow, please extend the sitting by two hours. Of the extended time, the speakers will take one and half hours and the hon. Minister will take the rest half-an-hour. No subject can be more important than this.
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SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Sir, the time allotted for this is four hours. We have already completed nine hours.
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Only nine hours !
SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Only nine hours. I think, by the time it is completed we may end up with ten hours.
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We shall just try to complete.
[Translation]
The issue is very important.
[English]
SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: It may take another half-an-hour.
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MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let's see, how much can be completed in half- an-hour.
[English]
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The point is that some of the hon. Members could not got a chance to speak. They may feel rather agitated. It is better to give chance to everybody.
[Translation]
Please also keep it in mind that the time is limited.
SHRI LAETA UMBREY: Please don't reduce the time allotted to me.
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MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let Mr. Umbrey continue.
SHRI LAETA UMBREY: I was mentioning that some drastic amendments need to be done in our present democratic set up.
I am not a constitutional expert. But I have seen that the present set up has totally and miserably failed. We can judge it by so many examples. Many examples are still fresh in our minds.
Even if there is a stable Government in the Centre and a stable Government in the States who rally are committed for the development, some of the leaders who are aspirants for power-power-mongers-they want to raise certain issues- like Bofors, Mandir, Rath Yatra, Ekta Yatra etc. They raise issues and make hungama in the country. They will try to take full advantage of it. We must also see the reason behind this Yatra. Whenever these people realise that their presence are going to be forgotten, they will raise certain issues and then they will start telling the people as if they are the champions of the masses, poor and down-trodden people. And ultimately when they come to
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power, they do nothing. I can cite the example of Assam. The All Assam Student's Union is Assam picked up the issues which the Congress Govt., could never solve. But they themselves also failed miserably in solving the problems. What happened during their full term five years? They were all engaged in grabbing money instead of solving the problems. When this group of boys came to power, they were shifting from the hostels of colleges and universities to the bungalows of the Ministers. Today they are all millionaires but problems remained un- solved.
These are the few instances about which I want to remind the hon.
Members, specially the senior Members to think over seriously. Today, the way the new political parties are coming up, it seems the number of political parties will be fragmented to such a large extent that in 20-30 years, each Members may represent a different party, thereby we will never have a stable government in the country. The party which will be in power will never be able to do anything other than deploying armed forces to control increasing law and order problem.
So, I request the hon. Members, particularly the senior Members to think very seriously about the flexibilty of present set-up.
Sir, I do not want to say such about Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir, but I will just give a few points about what I have in mind.
The main reason for the problem in Kashmir according to me is that the people are fighting for their shelf-respect, dignity and honour it is the result of continuous and utter negligence on the part of the Central Government and mishandling of the minor issues of Jammu and Kashmir over many years, feeling of insecurity among the Muslim minorities and the most important reason behind are continuous Army excesses committed on the innocent people of Jammu and Kashmir.
Then about Punjab the reasons for the problem are their fight for self-respect, dignity and honour the feeling of insecurity and identity of the Sikh minority.Their education,
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economy and the hard working race made them feel that India is liability to them. That is why they are fighting. So,
The Government he recently deployed Army in Punjab. With the deployment of the Army you are never going to solve the problem, you will never be able to conduct elections peacefully there because I have seen the Army excesses myself in Assam Also, I apprehend the same in Punjab. You will never be able to win the hearts of those people who are still on the balance. When they are subjected to torture, they will turn back towards the militants. That is why what I feel is that our approach to the problems obattitude towards Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir should be different from the presents the Government at the Centre is very much efficient and competent to deal with the situation. But my personal request is that wehld have a Minister specially assigned for Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir because our Ministers in the Home Affairs are overburdened with so many problems, they do riot have enough time to devote to the problems of Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir. So, there should be a Minister exclusively in charge of Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab.
Then, about N. E. Region whenever the leaders of the North Eastern States some to Delhi to meet the Central leaders, they are never given proper attention and whoever visits North Eastern region once in life becomes the expert of the region. That is the most unfortunate thing. That is the most unfortunate thing. That is why we have not been able to solve the problems in Nagaland, Assam and Tripura. In Arunachal Pradesh, we have international borders for about 1,700 kms. in three directions with Burma, China and Bhutan. So the terrorists are recruiting the youth on a massive scale. This should be checked immediately. It is understood that the Chief Minister of Arunachal Pradesh has also apprised the situation in the State to the Home Ministry and requested for more help but nothing has been done in this direction so far. This is very unfortunate. Once the
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youth who are in the training camps are out, they will strike and it will be too late for us to solve these problem at that time. So, the government should act immediately in this respect.
Sir, I therefore, feel the whole approach to the North Eastern region problem will have to be reviewed and changed. Now, the All Bodo Students Union and the Al, Bodo problems Action Committee have given an ultimatum that if their demands are not met by 31st December, 1991, they will resume their agitation and Bodo land being the gateway to the North Eastern States, if there is an agitation in Bodo land, then the supply of materials and foodstuffs to all the North Eastern region will be stopped. So, I would request the hon. Minister to call the Bodo Union and discuss with them about their problems. Then, there are so many demands from different corners of the tribal people.
I hope the hon. Home Minister who is very well experienced will definitely give sympathetic attention to all these problems.
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SHRI SHIBU SOREN (Dumka): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, today we are discussing the law and order situation in the country which is continuously worsening. If we go deep into it, we will certainly find a reason for it. The main reason is the economic disparities existing in the country. This disparity can be of any type. Unemployment is also a reason behind it. Today, the educated unemployed and displaced unemployed are asking for a separate State and we take action against them against them by branding them as terrorists. We have to find the ways to remove this disparity. Even those graduates, who appear in a number of interviews and even get through in most of them do not get the jobs. Laws are enacted everyday, but they are not implemented.
I am a tribal and I belong to Jharkhand area whatever has been done for the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and minorities till now, has been done only on paper. If actually something has been done, it has
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been done for men like me, who have become Members or have become educated and got job. Today, we only discuss the issue in the Parliament and the matter ends there. Why don't we go deep into it.
From where Punjab problem arose? The people of the entire world can never forget the atrocities committed on the Sikhs following the assassination of the former Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi.
The Members of those families will take to terrorism only. The economic disparity has reached its extreme limits. The problem can only be solved if we review it deeply. Our Jharkhand is very rich in coal, iron and aluminium. The Government is acquiring all our land.
Our condition is even worse than that of Bangladesh refugees, Why such a policy is framed? If factories are to be set up, the residents of that village should also get some benefit from it. But I would like to know from the Government whether it had constructed houses for them anywhere.
You will be surprised to see the condition of the houses constructed under the Indira Awas Yojana. They will collapse in just one jerk. Once I had asked the officials to stay in these houses for one night. I told them that we would not be responsible in the event of house collapse. You are only giving tenders, but what is happening behind them. There seems to be no limit of economic disparity.
Several hon. Members expressed their views here. The Government should accept the demand for small States. If it does so, there will be decentralisation of power and it will give happiness to the people.
We don't want that the Jharkhand agitation should take an extremist turn and hope that the Government will consider the issue.
Today, extremism has come to every home. Rich as well as poor are taking to extremism. What can you say to them? The sons of the wealthy are committing more crimes than extremists themselves. The son of a high ranking official or a Minister can do anything and no action is taken against him as influence is exerted. At the most he can be
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transferred. This is the state of affairs in the country and we only talk about poverty. But at the some time, we find that five-star hotels of the country remain always jam-packed. Therefore, I would like to submit that the formation of small states should also be considered, because this can solve a lot of problems. Regarding unemployment, I would like to suggest that as there are a number of factories in my area, and it is rich in coal, besides providing jobs, a number of other employment schemes can be started there. A cooperative society should be formed for the unemployed who could get contracts from there and can earn Rs. 1 thousand to Rs. 2 thousand per month. But the millionaires will also go in for those contracts. If my work has to be done in Bokaro or Ranchi, contractors from Delhi and Punjab will reach there. Such things give rise to terrorism. The youth of today understands as to which of his rights are being snatched away.
Therefore, I think that it is not a very big problem, but we make it so by raising it again and again. If the youth get employment and their rightful dues, this problem can be solved. The Adivasis and Harijans exploited by High castes are now raising their heads. We, the down-trodden, have suffered much. We did many lowly acts. Time has come to make Gandhiji's dream a reality regarding of the lower people. Now, they have become quite conscious of their rights. So it should be given to them otherwise there will be a clash for which they are ready to adopt any strategy.
I would like to say further that in the industries they should also be given participation. They should be given their due rights.
And there should not be unnecessary legal interference in their affairs. If these things are not done, extremism will continue to grow. The training of the extremism is being given in every house-in our Jharkhand area also where on the lines of Punjab, a Person is kidnapped and Rs. 10,000 is demanded against his release. And he has to pay it even by selling his land. There is a wave of extremism which cannot be checked. It seems as if there is no law and order in the country.
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Rather, I would like to say that the police itself has become an extremist organisation in which there are many who encourage such things for making money. Had these genuine problems been attended properly, the situation would have been a bit different. But even today, no action is being taken in that direction and as a result the terrorism is growing everywhere which is a major thereat to this country.
Sir, this is an important issue. They are fighting for justice.
The hon. Minister is present here. He has also said that if we want to avoid incidents taking place in Assam, Punjab and Kashmir, a separate Jharkhand State must be considered immediately. Sir, you have alarmed the bell many times, so I conclude now.
SHRI CHEDDI PASWAN (Sasaram): Sir, the social, economic and educational disparity is the root cause of growing terrorism, secessionism and kidnapping tendencies in this country. And a wrong political approach taken in 1971 to help in the creation of Bangladesh which came into existence after the division of Pakistan in two parts gave vent to the rise of these tendencies of terrorism and secessionist in our own country.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the seed of terrorism, secessionism and kidnapping was sown in the country in 1984 when after the assassination of Shrimati Indira Gandhi in Delhi, 4 to 5 thousand innocent Sikhs were killed in the name of communal riots. And the then Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi said that the ear shakes when a big tree falls. Such thinking gave rise to terrorism in the country.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, apart from that, our opposition leader, Shri Lal Krishna Advani, to whom I hold in high esteem, did not pay his attention to our 14000 square kilometers of land occupied by China, growing price-rise and unemployment but he went on his Rath- Yatra when the former Prime
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Minister, Shri V.P.Singh announced to give the backwards their rights, who are downtrodden for the last two and a half to three thousand years. Shri Advani's main purpose was to suppress the very forces that talk of secularism and social justice. The same tendency is discernible even today when the B.J.P. President is on the Ekta Yatra.
It is surprising and distressing when they claim themselves to be the followers of the Maryada Purushottam Rama, the path shown by him by his high character. But the person who draws his salary without doing his teaching job in University is on the Ekta Yatra today.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is a matter of great concern that the B.J.P. has started this Ekta Yatra to divert the people's attention from its failure to construct the temple. If the country's unity and integrity could be maintained from this Ekta Yatra only, then what is the need of this Lok Sabha and Vidhan Sabha. No need of democratic set up. All of us would proceed on such Yatras. We would not have raised any objection if the national unity could have been achieved by taking out Yatras. But I would like to say it frankly that they started this Ekta Yatra just to divert the public attention from their failure to construct temple in Uttar Pradesh. Their approach is like that of the monarch of Nepal which had granted liberty to its citizens to drink wine as much as they could so that they could not be enlightened about their rights.
What is needed most in the country today is that we will have to pay attention to the factors that are responsible for growing incidents of terrorism, kidnapping and killings. Any act of diverting the people's attention in which media is also playing a great role will not be tolerated any longer. I would like to warn even the media that the public of this country is not going to tolerate it for long.
Since media is in the hands of few people- an privileged class who have intellect and writing power, they dominator the Press. So the people will not even spare the media persons. I would like to submit to all to be cautious failing which the public of this country would not spare them.
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Even the Pilibhit incident is responsible for growing terrorism in terai region of Uttar Pradesh. It is due to the wrong policy of the Uttar Pradesh Government. It is a counter action against the killings of innocent persons at Pilibhit.
I come from Bihar and Varanasi is adjacant to my area. What was the reason of the riot that tool place there on the 8th? After sprinkling oil on the minorities they were burnt to death on the road.
All this happened under police protection. Police did not take any action. In reaction to that, the Muslims and Sikhs killed some of the Hindus on 13th. I would like to say it frankly that on the one hand the Members of the Rajya Sabha are not allowed to visit that place and on the other, Shri Shreesh Chandra Dikshit moves about in the entire Varanasi city, gives directions to the police and Administration sug- gesting them the ways to terrorise the innocent persons and put them into jail. So, under such circumstances, how can we check the terrorism and secessionism in the country? As long as the labour and labourers are neglected, terrorism will not come to an end. I submit to all to take every care to solve these problems in time.