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[Sh. Ramnagina Mishra]

keep a vigil. Only then there could be a fall in such incidents.

I would like to submit to the hon. Home Minister that this matter does not relate to two States only but also to Nepal. When the police pressure builds up the terrorists flee to Nepal. The cane and khaira wood which is produced in the area is very precious. Besides goods are smuggled from Nepal and terrorists get refuge there. The border is a few hundred kilometre long. Uttar Pradesh is vexed with problem today just like Punjab. The terrorists from Punjab are occupying Western districts of Uttar Pradesh whereas the eastern districts are infested by terrorists from Nepal.

"Jasu Raj Priy Praja Dhukhari

So Nrip Avashya Narak Adhikari"

You may say anything but I would like that people should at least heave a sigh of relief. What is happening in Pilibhit today? What happened in Rampur? Probably, the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh has met the Hon. Prime Minister and requested him that it is beyond his control. I would like to suggest that a joint police wing of Punjab, Haryana, and Uttar Pradesh should be set up so that all the States could coordinate information about the terrorists. All these States should jointly make efforts to contain terrorism.

My another suggestion is for Nepal because it is an independent country. The Government of India should hold talks with Government of Nepal and emphasize that if terrorists enter Nepal they should be apprehended and handed over to Uttar Pradesh Government or the Central Government. It is true as one hon. Member has pointed out that discussion on terrorism has be come a regular feature every year just like the discussion of floods. I would like to draw a simile from Ramayana here. Rawana lived near the ocean. He had committed a sin but the ocean head not committed any sin. Inspite of that ocean was punished. Some

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people say that Pakistan is harbouring terrorists and providing them arms. It is true, But it is also true that some elements within the country are giving refuge to terrorists. A strict watch should be kept on them.

"Dharo Shathon se shathata sadaiva Ye neeti kabhi na bhoolo naresh" We should firmly deal with criminals. The terrorists do not kill people belonging to one community alone. If the terrorists of Kashmir killed Hindus alone or the terrorists of Punjab killed Hindus alone we could have thought that it is a case of communal frenzy. The terrorists of Kashmir kill Muslims also and the terrorists of Punjab kill sikhs also . Enemy does not have any religion or caste and, therefore, we should deal with them courageously and impartially.

I think the greatest threat that the country is facing today in respect of Kashmir is from Pakistan when the credibility of the rulers of Pakistan is on the decline, they start a propaganda campaign against India and mislead the masses by telling them that they have to take revenge from India because it has divided their country into two parts. The terrorists are getting lot of funds besides training and arms from Pakistan.

I would like to submit here that the enemy cannot even touch us what to talk of harming us. Rama would not have been able to kill Ravana and Vibihishan not leaked out his secrets. That is why I am saying that we have to keep a watch over the Vibhishans within the country. If we are able to check their activities only then would we be able to save the country. Those who are giving refuge to terrorists, those who hesitate to calling India as their motherland and those who hesitate in defending its borders, they would not only be committing treachery against the nation but against themselves also.

With these words, I appeal to the Government and to the entire nation that people of all religions should come together to fight terrorism and keep the country united. It is

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only then that we can think of the country's welfare.

With this I conclude.

SHRI PIUS TIRKEY (Alipurduars): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to draw the attention of the House to the wave of terrorism and separatism that is lashing the country. The Government will have to think seriously in this regard. There is escalation in terrorism during the recent times not only in Punjab but also in Kashmir. There is no let up in the deteriorating situation and no hope also. The problem is worsening day by day. In fact it is spreading from the State to other State. So we will have to think where we have gone wrong and committed mistake. This problem is emerging everywhere. We will have to ponder seriously as to why all this is happening? What are the reasons? If we do not go into the reasons it will escalate and we will not be able to contain terrorism.

Even the Scheduled Areas have their own demands. It has taken the shape of naxalite movement. I mean to say that you maybe aware what happened to the movement in Nagaland. How many people were killed and how much atrocities were committed? Now the Government wants that after 15 years they should be given a small State and be appeased. Similar movements were launched in Meghalaya and Mizoram.

Besides, the demands of ULFA there is demand for Bodoland. I want to say that efforts must be made to bring them on the negotiating table and solve the problems through negotiations. If the problem of ter- rorism is not solved, the terrorists would spread from Punjab to Madras. There are reports that terrorists are present everywhere whether it is Uttar Pradesh, Bihar or Delhi. There is nepotism in providing employment. Those who have lot of money they are with the terrorists and those who have not, they are working for them. We can neither give them work no self-respect or a reasonable standard of living. On the one hand there are 5-star hotels whereas on the other hand there are 5-10 lakh jhuggis in the same area. The police is meant for those

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who cannot protect themselves particularly, the poor masses. But what we see today is that on the one hand 300 policemen are protecting and guarding a Minister and the bureaucrats are also enjoying the services of policemen for their household work, whereas on the other hand there is nobody to protect the poor massess. The black marketeer, shopkeeper, adulterator and even the police are looting them. They are being removed from pavements and beaten. Will this not give rise to terrorism? They have also right to live with self-respect but they are grouping in the dark. There is no hope for them. That is one of the reasons for terrorism. Another reason for terrorism is that our youth are idle, weak and unemployed. There are so wide disparities in our society that on the one hand there are people who have tons of money whereas on the other hand people do not have enough to keep their body and soul together. That is also one of the major reasons for terrorism. Some are bathing in Ganga water whereas other do not have even clean water. Terrorism is increasing because of unemployment and nepotism. Even for getting a job of a Police Constable one has to pay Rs. 10,000 as bribe. If terrorism has to be dealt with firmly the children of our country would have to be given right of self-respect. Their interests will have to be protected.

During the time of Britishers there were 620 States in the country. But even then there was no such problem. Why is it hap- pening today? You should listen to the demands of youth. If their demand is not genuine, try to make them understand. The reasons which have led to terrorism should be removed. Police is primarily responsible for increasing terrorism. Innocent people are being killed. I do not want to generalise or hold all the policemen guilty but in many places there is nexus between the policemen and terrorists. The policemen fear that if they apprehend terrorists they may have to face serious consequences. They do not have sufficient courage today to arrest the terrorists.

The hon. Home Minister is sitting here.

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I would like to tell him that the situation in the country is not good. The making or unmaking of the country is in his hands. He should pay urgent attention in this direction because only then will the situation improve. They should be brought to the negotiating table. Their demands and grievances must be heard and if they have committed a mistake they should be made to understand. Simply by using force, by sending police or putting them in jail will not curb terrorism. All of them are citizens of this country and if they have committed a mistake intentionally or unintentionally, they should be made to understand things. Only then can we find a way out and solve the problem. With these words, I conclude.

SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH (Jahanabad): Mr. Speaker, Sir, discussion is being held in this House on the worsening law and order situation in the country. Discussions are being held in every session, but what are the reasons behind it. No effective suggestions are being given in this regard...... ( Interruptions)...... Mr. Chair- man, Sir, I was saying that law and order situation in our country has worsened and some effective suggestions should be given in this regard. The situation has not worsened in one or two days. It has worsened gradually. There are reasons behind it. But we hide those reasons. First of all, we continued to adopt wrong economic policies, which increased the economic disparity to such an extent that it led to discontent among the people and caused unemployment. Besides, there was sharp increase in corruption. In such a situation, the deterioration in law and order situation was natural.

The police administration in our country is for maintaining the law and order situation. But from the very beginning, it has been used by the Government for its own political benefits. The Government can be of any party. I don't want to say anything on it. But the main reason behind the police inactiveness is that it has been used to fulfil our own political interests and it has become a silent Situation in various 696

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spectator. We may abuse the police a lot today, but who is responsible for bringing them to such a situation? How it can be improved now. The political leaders had started taking benefits from the criminals and they were trying to get themselves elected through their help. If anyone is honest, he should accept this fact, so that the country could be saved from danger. They are taking help from the criminals, whether they are smugglers or dacoits. These criminals have got the opportunity to enter the Lok Sabha and the State Assemblies also. They think that if they can help others, why can't they get themselves elected. The matter has reached to this extent.

When they become elected members, they openly wander before the same police they were once afraid of. Can the morale of police be kept high in such a situation? Who is responsible for demoralising the police force? We should not act like this.

Mr. Chairman, Sir, the State Government implemented the Land Coiling Act and publicised through Doordarshan that all the Government land will be given to the landless, the Scheduled Castes and the back- ward tribes. But nothing was given to anyone. This will certainly give way to discontent. The Government made the publicity, but no one got a single inch of land. The law and order situation in our area is getting disturbed due to these land disputes also. Until now, this law was not implemented by any of the Governments. The present Gov- ernment should be told to do so. Whatever may be the reason, but I must say that the opposition parties are also helping in this regard.

I will ask the leftist parties to get it implemented. Until this law is implemented we cannot save the Government by helping it from outside. This is the first thing.

Sir, the issue of intelligence department is being raised. After all, what is this intelligence department? This is a component of the police department which gives information about different happenings in the country. This department should have been allowed to play an independent role. The

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capacity of our intelligence department is in no way less than that of the intelligence departments in other counties of the world. But in regard to terrorism, it was never allowed to play an independent role.

Development is being done in this country in the name of forwards and backwards. Is it in the interest of the country? There are two Con- gress M.L.As in my area. In a village, there is only one drain, which is located on the side where forwards are living. As regards the backwards, they are deprived of this facility. Can this be called development? But the Government never paid attention to what their Members are doing. For the last some years, there is sharp increase in extremism in my area. Everyday, killings are taking place there.